yup, what ever it takes...yup, what ever it takes...I work with guys who were aircrew on -52s, -141s, etc. We had this almost exact discussion, back in the day when it was THE news topic du jour. Some lib engineer brought it up within earshot, got all self-righteous and indignant, and the SPEED with which my buddies bitchslapped him down and put the argument to bed was truly record-breaking.
Every one of those guys said the same thing about SERE and waterboarding.