It’s all a question of degree. I think arguing it’s not torture and making that the centerpiece of why we support it is a silly waste of time.
But hey I support things that everyone would agree is torture and maybe you wouldn’t and most people wouldn’t, maybe that’s why I feel differently about this.
i don't know how much clearer i can make it
harsh words are now considered VERBAL ABUSE too, and that ain't true either... but i've been drinking, YMMV
I am sure it is very scary or even terrifying (for those who dont know what's coming) , but its not like cutting off toes.
I had a call with drowning in a rough wave Ocean once and I recall thinking, ‘If I panic now I will die’