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To: DoughtyOne
I take the term Conservative with a grain of salt when folks don’t mind if China gets our technology, specifically military grade technology.

Remind me again who said they don't mind if China gets our military technology? Or are you just tilting at windmills again? Sounds like you have a problem with government.

they don’t like government involvement, but when you mention that corporations get tax incentives today to move jobs off shore...

Sounds like another problem that government has created. Again, your problem is with government, not freedom.

And since the reaction to any suggestion there is need to change always focuses on “Protectionists”, I think it’s fair to ask questions that will cause folks to confront their own ignorance.

You're good with itemizing problems. You're not so good with solutions.....other than we must place more restrictions on the private sector and reign in liberty. That doesn't sound very conservative, but maybe I just don't know you well enough. I'm sure you mean well.

I don't blame protectionists for those problems directly. I blame those who would empower government even more to rectify their perceived problems. And that's exactly what protectionists propose. Their only solutions, at least that I've seen, involve bigger government and greater restrictions on freedom. You may or may not be a protectionist, but offering bigger government as your solution ain't much of a solution.

Look at our employment climate in the U. S. today. Think there’s any problems?

Lots of problems. You've pointed out another result of big government. I'm seeing a common thread here.....you?

Would lowering the corporate tax rate be government intervention to control the economy and individuals more?

I'm all for lowering the corporate tax rate so that more businesses will choose to locate here. Dramatically reduce regulation along with that and you might be on to something. Looks like you finally suggested a solution.....and, gasp, it involves shrinking government. I like it.

54 posted on 01/26/2014 8:00:09 PM PST by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase
I take the term Conservative with a grain of salt when folks don’t mind if China gets our technology, specifically military grade technology.

Remind me again who said they don't mind if China gets our military technology? Or are you just tilting at windmills again? Sounds like you have a problem with government.

It's kind of funny to watch folks champion the trade with China, then deny that they favor any of the downsides that go along with it.

If you're not aware of what takes place, please find a subject you know at least a little more about.

they don’t like government involvement, but when you mention that corporations get tax incentives today to move jobs off shore...

Sounds like another problem that government has created. Again, your problem is with government, not freedom.

LOL, there you go avoiding what is taking place.  You don't like any of it, but you support it 100%.

I suggest we need to review what has been and still is takeing place some 20 years into this fiasco.  And now you tell me my problem isn't with Free Trade, it's with government.

Okay, then if you don't agee with so much of what is taking place, why to you go into a full blown melt-down when someone says they don't like what Free Trade has done to our nation, and they want the whole thing reviewed.

Do you like China getting our tech?  Well no... Do you think we should be incentivising corporations to move manufacturing off shore?  Wel no...  Do you think it's good that we have 23% of our workforce out of work right now?  Well no...

Well then for heavens sake, let's not take a look at what's going on.  Right?  Geez louise...

And since the reaction to any suggestion there is need to change always focuses on “Protectionists”, I think it’s fair to ask questions that will cause folks to confront their own ignorance.

You're good with itemizing problems. You're not so good with solutions.....other than we must place more restrictions on the private sector and reign in liberty. That doesn't sound very conservative, but maybe I just don't know you well enough. I'm sure you mean well.

LOL  Yeah, I guess you're just protecting the liberty of those 23% unemployed U. S. Citizens.  Thanks...  I'm sure their spouses and children will always be in your debt for it.

I don't blame protectionists for those problems directly. I blame those who would empower government even more to rectify their perceived problems. And that's exactly what protectionists propose. Their only solutions, at least that I've seen, involve bigger government and greater restrictions on freedom. You may or may not be a protectionist, but offering bigger government as your solution ain't much of a solution.

Did I offer up bigger government solutions?  You said yourself I have posted a number of problems.  Then you move on to hurl more veiled insuts and ignore the problems.

It's just comical to watch you folks flux between agreeing there are problems to be sure, but man you guys are really off base for mentioning they're out there.

Nevermind if you don't advocate higher tariffs or government intervention. 

If you brain trusts have some suggestioins, why not offer them up.

Look at our employment climate in the U. S. today. Think there’s any problems?

Lots of problems. You've pointed out another result of big government. I'm seeing a common thread here.....you?

Yes.  And I also see tens of millions of jobs moved off-shore.  You don't see this as a problem.  There are national and global security issues involved, and this isn't a prolem for you folks either.  There's the jump-starting of an expanisionist communist state with six times our population, and even that doesn't cause any meaningful reaction on your part, or the part of other loud mouths on this thread.

Would lowering the corporate tax rate be government intervention to control the economy and individuals more?

I'm all for lowering the corporate tax rate so that more businesses will choose to locate here. Dramatically reduce regulation along with that and you might be on to something. Looks like you finally suggested a solution.....and, gasp, it involves shrinking government. I like it.

Who wouldn't.  Does that stop our transfer of technology in it's tracks?  Nope.  Does it completely cut off the funding of China dead in it's tracks?  Nope.  Then the problem isn't fixed is it.

61 posted on 01/26/2014 8:26:13 PM PST by DoughtyOne (ZERO is still zero, and John Kerry is a mock-puppet!)
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