[Pan_Yan]

That’s some amazing projection and demagoguery there. Just because I don’t think the primary focus of our military should be nation building in the Middle East doesn’t make me a leftist. Are you a big believer in our role as world police, fighting at the whim of the UN like in Libya and Somalia? That’s the reality of our world.

Just because I don’t think we need to spend as much on our military as the rest of the world combined doesn’t mean I think that money should be wasted on welfare. That’s a low rent slander and shows just how shallow your arguments are.

[DoughtyOne]

That’s some amazing projection and demagoguery there.  Seriously?  LOL...

Just because I don’t think the primary focus of our military should be nation building in the Middle East doesn’t make me a leftist. Please link me to where you criticized nation building, and I objected.  You touched on us providing national security for allies, and I responded on point.  You did not mention Iraq or Afghanistan.  You did mention other traditional allies.  "Which allies? What allies? Japan? Taiwan? NATO? Turkey? Israel?"  LINK  What do these allies have to do with the topic of nation building?

Are you a big believer in our role as world police, fighting at the whim of the UN like in Libya and Somalia?  I specifically came out against operations in Libya.  I have come out against operations in Syria as well.  I am against aligning with al Qaeda or the Muslem Brotherhood and their numerous proxy groups.  Our operations in Somalia were humanitarian in nature.  I did not object to providing food to peoople who were starving.  Whether you like it, I like it, or anyone else likes it, there is going to be 'in effect' a global police force.  If we participate in these actions, we get to help draft policy.  Do you think these operations would be as sound if China were the driving force behind them?  What if Russia was the driving force behind them?  What about Iran or North Korea?  Go ahead and carp until the U. S. is totally out of the global police efforts, and then you can reverse youself in short order.

What's your take if Russia, China, Iran, and or North Korea are determining the best ways to bring Israel into compliance with global consensus?  Does this connect with you on any level at all?  How do you think the world would have been improved if the United Nations had it's way with regard to Iraq and Afghanistan, and China or Russia were the main players.

That’s the reality of our world.  Yes it is.  And how the goals of the United Nations are countered, remains our option, or the option of other rogue players.  No we should not have joined in Libya or Syria.  We should have discouraged that sort of thing.  The Islamic Commander in Chief didn't use sound judgment.  We all knew he didn't.

Just because I don’t think we need to spend as much on our military as the rest of the world combined doesn’t mean I think that money should be wasted on welfare.  Oh bull shit.  Next you're going to tell me that the Welfare state is addressed with 10% of the vigor our military spending is attacked with here.  We probably spend four or five times the welfare money the rest of the world does.  Where's your outrage at that?  Own up to what you're doing.

That’s a low rent slander and shows just how shallow your arguments are.  You really are a clueless wonder on this subject aren't you.

You and I may agree on many subjects here, but on this one I can't tag along.