Posted on 01/22/2014 4:50:55 AM PST by Flotsam_Jetsome
One of the unexplained mysteries in the scanty documentation of the early life of the 45th President of the United States is the appearance of the name Soebarkah as his last name on an official document filled out by his mother.
In a recent contribution to American Thinker, Nick Chase offers very persuasive evidence that the long-form birth certificate released by Obama is a forgery.
While in the midst of developing an argument supporting the idea that Obama was adopted by the Indonesian Lolo Soetoro, Chase states:
Finally, we have Stanley Ann Soetoro's 1968 application to extend her 1965 passport (now destroyed) for an additional two years, as shown in Figure PPA. On the second page of the application, Ann moved to exclude her son Barack Hussein Obama (Soebarkah) from her passport, but the item has been crossed out -- perhaps on the advice of the consulate in Jakarta, as this would have left seven-year-old Barry passportless -- so it didn't happen.
The appendage "(Soebarkah)" has never been satisfactorily explained by anyone, and I certainly don't know what "Soebarkah" means, but it does seem to indicate a name change or change in citizenship status for the boy.
Clearly, just what constitutes "a satisfactory explanation" varies with respect to persons, subject matter, context, and so forth. And yet, there is a very good -- and simple -- explanation for the seemingly random appearance of the sobriquet "Soebarkah" on Mother Soetoro's passport application. Believe it or not, the reason may be linked to one Loretta Fuddy.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
I hate to bring it up but we should always keep in mind that at least part of what we research is going to be diversion, hi-tech people leading us down the wrong path. Its up to us to figure out what is what.
Here’s a clip from you link:
There has been so much written and conjecture on the forced out into the open Obama passport documents that I have not had much interest in exploring them in the name Soebarkah which appears on the document as one of the listed names of Barack Hussein Obama.
As an exclusive as only found here though, the name Soebarkah is a confirmation of adoption, Obama’s Muslim status and a sort of strange Islamic prophecy of the day Barry was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in that it was not in the stars to last.
Soetoro in the name, in the prefix of SOE links the name to Javanese roots and not Indonesian alone. Why this matters is that Indonesian names reflect region, family and often religion. It is quite obvious or should have been by now in no one has noted it, that the name Soebarkah is a combination and not one word.
The name is Soe Bar Kah.
Soetoro signifies the adoptive father as Lolo Soetoro. Bar is obvious in Barack, but also links to the Islamic Aramic in bar means SON. So we have confirmation of this is the Son of Soetoro.
The Kah is interesting in Indonesian, KAH translates as WAS. In names, KAH is added as a suffix to form a question of “Who?”
So what SOE BAR KAH means is literal, and I’m genuinely surprised with even Indonesian “experts” asked to explain all of this, that none of them had any comprehension of the language of their own nation.
Soe Bar Kah means literally Who is this, but the son of Soetoro.
This name is the actual legal title of Barry Soetoro, his bona fides, that he has been legally adopted, is a Muslim and is an Indonesian from the Javan region.
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As usual how do you confirm any of this,makes good sense,but smoking gun?
Agreed. By the same token however, some sources of info have, by proven track record, shown themselves to be trustworthy, reliable partners in the search for the truth of the "Obama" birth and life narrative, and IMNSVHO, the Cold Case Posse has demonstrated that their organization is such a source/partner, and I for one am grateful for their efforts and am proud to be a (financial, as well as moral) supporter.
You've responded to the first post of this thread, so the applicability of my commentary may not be readily apparent as yet, but will become so at and after post #59.
This allafrican article is probally the closest thing to the truth out there “ read the last line on page 4” - It says —
Our son sent us letters, pleading that we intervene to save the marriage,” remembers Sarah.
http://allafrica.com/stories/200408160533.html?page=4
How could sarah “intervene” to save the marriage? thats because stanley ann dunham was living in that village, its the only way she could intervene.. Barry was born in kenya, and is a illegal alien here just like his aunt and uncle.. the tale tale sign of a illegal alien is a false SS#..
My theory is Stanley Armour Dunham was furious about his daughter’s marriage and was going to kenya (to that village)to retrieve his daughter, and bring her back home..Barrack sr. sent letters to Sarah PLEADING TO “intervene” and stop it from happening.-
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/intervene
Apologies that I can’t tell from what you’ve said whether it has actually been discovered/learned that her uncle Charles Payne is for whom Stanley Ann was an au pair in
Chicago when she was 16. Is it so? That would give a logical common-tie reason for why Toot and
Stanley Ann spent 3 days in Chicago during the 1972 “Barry meets the mainland” tour, although it seems odd they would have spent 3 days in a motel rather than in the uncle’s Hyde Park home. I’ll truly appreciate it if you can steer me to informative links - or books.
The more time passes, and the more that oozes out about his past - the more I’m convinced that Chicago and its history as a repository of Marxist/communist/socialist blacks [and such whites as Ayers] is ground zero of Obama’s history - from before he was conceived.
Among the greatest red flags is his mention in “Dreams” of the old black men in Hawaii who played cards - friends of his grandfather’s - who had fled/escaped Chicago; who were always glad to see him [during his childhood], and who always asked how his mother was - and who he cited as his driving motivation to move to/live in Chicago, because their influence had made him feel Chicago was his destiny. Paraphrased - not exact quotes - but with your knowledge and research, I’m sure you know the portions of the book to which I refer.
Chicago is Obama’s emotional and psychological ground zero.
Mohammed Subud was apparently born in 1901. Died 1987.
That means he was approx 60yrs old when Obama was born.
This doesn’t prove/disprove anything, just another detail. I wouldn’t be surprised if a 60-yr-old cult leader was still bopping his groupies, or the black housekeeper.
I think Subud and Obama look almost 100% alike. The ears are identical.
She apparently, from words put into her mouth in ‘Dreams’ says she was an au pair in Chicago when she was ‘only sixteen then’ which would have made it 1958. As no one can find her in a graduation group for the class of 1960 at Mercer Island because not one of her ‘classmates’ has come up with a yearbook, and her best friend Maxine provided Getty Images with a photograph from 1958, it’s a fair bet she wasn’t at Mercer much after that year. ‘Dreams’ tells us about her seeing ‘Black Orpheus’ and that was released in December 1959.
She again (from words put into her mouth in ‘Dreams’) tells zero she was accepted to attend Chicago UNiversity. “But I didn’t know then Dad wouldn’t let me go...” (paraphrased)
All that would be meaningless of course, if it wasn’t that her uncle, the brother of Madelyn, wasn’t Deputy Director of the Library at the University of Chicago where he had been since not long after the end of WW2 until he retired when he was in his late sixties, and was still at the university when zero lectured in law there.
What gave you the impression I suggested she baby-sat his children I have no idea. She very well might have, I think he had one son but I’ve never bothered to look further.
His wife Melanie ended up on a committee with the wife of David Axelrod, and as I’ve already indicated, they ALL lived in Hyde Park, as did the Ayres family.
You’re certainly on the right track about Chicago.
For background material you might find some of the content on this thread of interest:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2278969/posts
After the war, Payne went to college in Kansas on the GI Bill and then to graduate school at the University of Chicago, where Obama would later lecture on constitutional law. He later became interested in computers and how they could be used in libraries. He retired at age 70 as assistant director of the University of Chicago’s
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-07-22-1654309354_x.htm
Development of an Integrated, Computer-Based Bibliographical Data System for a Large University Library. Annual Report to the National Science Foundation from the University of Chicago Library, 1966/67.
Fussler, Herman; Payne, Charles T.
http://eric.ed.gov/?id=ED029649
Flotsam, you asked me on # 59:
To: Fred Nerks
Have you seen the film, yet?
Also, what’s your opinion of Joe Arpaio, Mike Zullo and the Cold Case Posse’s work? Will you revise your theories if their latest findings, purportedly to be released in March, contradict your internet-based research?
59 posted on Thursday, 23 January 2014 1:05:09 PM by Flotsam_Jetsome
To which I replied EXTENSIVELY:
To: Flotsam_Jetsome
Hey, how about you ask Corsi and Gilbert the same questions?
I’m saying nothing about the CCP efforts, time will tell.
As for the DVD, it’s a load of codswallop, and you would know that had you been paying attention. Gilbert is a fraud, but while it looked as if his idiotic accusations would damage zero’s re-election chances, a lot of people went along with it. Big mistake.
There wasn’t an iota of truth in that production. FMD never lived at the address, it was an Elks Club premises, there was never any RAID, the image shown with the FALSE caption was simply some members exiting the premises. The house FMD lived in, DID NOT have floor to ceiling windows, the girl in the high heels and stockings wasn’t Stanley Ann Dunham, the images used were published in 1958 when SAD was still in high school (somewhere) the images were first posted by a silly old man in Australia by a link on his website, he claimed they were sent to him anonymously, I traced them to ‘vintage-porn com’ - which had removed the images bearing the serial number on the image by the time I got to it...and not much later, the entire website content was removed.
And in total desperation, Gilbert went to the house where FMD had lived at the time, and tried to show how a piece of flooring he found in a shed there, AFTER MORE THAN 50 YEARS matched the floor of the house, which infuriated the owner, because he couldn’t understand what this creep was doing, trying to lift the carpet in his living room.
Wanna talk some more? Do you want me to go back and find the thread where all this was discussed and recorded?
Gilbert used an image of an industrial building that was for sale and stuck a fake production company name across the top of it. I’ve got the before and after images, all the cars in the carpark are still there in exactly the same postions. Magic. He’s nothing but a poor imitation of Michael Moore.
Corsi should have known better than to support him.
61 posted on 01/22/2014 6:40:29 PM PST by Fred Nerks
Wanna talk some more? Do you want me to go back and find the thread where all this was discussed and recorded?
Thanks for this thread. I finally got to the end of it. The bottom line, imo, is that there has never been a less vetted person in US politics than Obama. Not even the most basic questions have ever been asked. For example, No One has asked Obama how his literary agent got the idea he was born in Kenya. No one. That’s such an obvious question. The excuses Obama’s IQ-challenged followers have given are just pathetic. Words fail me to describe the lack of intellect that goes into their so-called thought process. If you talk w one of them long enough, you can force them to capitulate. But the very next day they’re back w the original excuses, proving that facts Do Not Matter to Obots, only the agenda. Sad.
PA E, let me add just one thing re: the CCP. Namely, if they accept w/out question that Stanley Ann Dunham is Obama’s mother, let’s hope the issue is put to rest. They are good investigators and have resources the rest of us lack. If they cannot cast factual doubts on Stanley Ann’s maternal relationship to Obama, one wd hope that wd be dispositive. We shall see.
Since I know there are Obots reading this thread, I’d better clarify the above point. No, the literary agency’s ‘explanation’ for the Born in Kenyan FACT is not sufficient. They said they forgot to “fact check” that FACT. Which explains exactly nothing. I.e.: it doesn’t even intimate where the FACT came from that they ‘forgot’ to check.
That is the question. Where did they get the original FACT. Answer, they got it from Obama. There is no other explanation that doesn’t insult the brain of a 5-yr-old. The agent didn’t pull it out of thin air, nor did she confuse O Sr. for junior—O Sr didn’t spend part of his youth in Indonesia. Meaning, the person she knew for a FACT to have been born in Kenya also spent part of their childhood in Indonesia. That rules out a Sr/Jr confusion. She was talking about Barack Hussein Obama II. And she knew for a FACT that he was born in Kenya.
End of story.
Sorry - I didn’t make myself clear. In “Dreams” there’s no indication for whom Stanley Ann worked as an au pair that summer in Chicago. Because it turns out she had an uncle living there, I’m now wondering if that’s who she was with; being au pair/babysitter for her mother’s kin.
If it’s not just another lie that she was in Chicago that summer, it’s very perplexing that no mention is made of for whom she was being an au pair. As far as I’ve found, there had not previously [to Dreams] been any mention of any connection to Chicago, and that created a mystery as to how/why Stanley Ann would have been there that summer as an au pair. Who/how/why would a teenage girl living in Mercer Island, WA be hired for a summer job in Chicago? If the story is true, then obviously her parents knew someone there. The mystery is who was it? And why didn’t Barry identify him/her/them in relating that she had been there working as an au pair? Why not disclose the identity - even if by no more than that she was with family friends, or relatives - if that was indeed the case?
The possible/likely date discrepancy [lie?] regarding her year of graduation - considered from the viewpoint of there being no photo/yearbook record made available, combined with the [new to me] knowledge that she had kin in Chicago and is purported to have been in Chicago at age 16, combined with Barry’s statement that she’d seen “Black Orpheus” while in that city conjures up another possible scenario. Barry’s mentioning “Black Orpheus” and her reaction to it is telling us she was attracted to black men prior to the father-of-record student in a Russian language class in Hawaii in 1960. Was the Kenyan student Barack Obama the first black man she slept with? Or had there been a liaison in Chicago when she was 16 - resulting in a son who would later have difficulty remembering in what year he was actually born? Thinking out loud...and appreciating your posts, which always add info to the saga of the liar-in-chief’s life.
Thanks for the links, Fred Nerks - it’ll be an evening of browsing.
I almost ran out of breath reading that, if you run that fast, I'll never catch up. I think Black Orpheus is a prop, it was used for exactly that purpose, to make it look like this 16 year old girl was in Chicago and had the hots for black men. But Ayres, or whoever wrote that, made a mistake. They didn't take into account that the film wasn't released until December 1959. Make of that what you will.
...Was the Kenyan student Barack Obama the first black man she slept with? Or had there been a liaison in Chicago when she was 16 - resulting in a son who would later have difficulty remembering in what year he was actually born?...
Of course not, didn't you notice she had the hots for black men when she was in Chicago at the age of sixteen and was there long enough to see a romantic film about blacks in December 1959? Bazzinga! They gotcha! How else were they going to get a high school girl who had never dated into bed with a black Luo from Kenya - unless they primed you to believe she was a slut before she graduated?
Glad you posted the side by side ear shots. I don’t see an exact genetic match. Similar though. Perhaps an expert could say one way or the other- definitively, in evaluating the comparisons based on the subtle differences. On the other hand, I see a close resemblance in the hairline, the brows, the nose, the lips, the chin. But I only see this in the profiles. You? From the front though, Bapak looks closer. Wonder what X looks like as a youngster?
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