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I think this should not be a race issue -- whether it's 38% or 49% is/should not be the issue -- the real issue is that there is something really wrong when nearly half of young men are arrested at least once by age 23 -- for doing something criminal. Not to mention how many are doing something criminal that don't get arrested.

This is a sign of a country in decline -- this is our new generation.

The next presidential candidate need to run on lifting the country's moral compass to teach young kids right from wrong and help them strive for goodness and morality.

1 posted on 01/20/2014 5:37:37 PM PST by Innovative
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What matters is TYPE of crime.

Violent? Non-violent? Writing a bad check or beating up and old person?

Yeah, it matters...


35 posted on 01/20/2014 6:16:31 PM PST by GOPJ ("Remember who the real enemy is... ")
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I was arrested before the age of 23, was also married, a father, served 2 years in the Army, and held a technical job too before age 23.

This is not an article with actual statistics. It is based on estimates, and makes no comparisons to other years, other times.

So all in all, rushing to make a big deal out of this, is not persuasive.

Plus given all we see of the police these days, I’m inclined to believe they arrest MORE now, and warn LESS.


38 posted on 01/20/2014 6:23:48 PM PST by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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Why would criminologists conduct a study when the FBI collects and publishes comprehensive hard statistics on crime? Too much work crunching all the numbers?


40 posted on 01/20/2014 6:24:59 PM PST by TigersEye (Stupid is a Progressive disease.)
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"didn't rely on arrest records but on an annual federal survey of 7,000 young people who answered questions from 1997 to 2008"

"The authors found that by age 18, 30 percent of black men, 26 percent of Hispanic men and 22 percent of white men have been arrested. By 23, those numbers climb to 49 percent for black men, 44 percent for Hispanic men and 38 percent for white men."

To get from 22% arrested to 38% arrested in 5 years would require 3.2% of young white men to be arrested each year. IMO, they either questioned a non-random sample of 7000 males, or moved a decimal point!

According to the FBI, http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2012/crime-in-the-u.s.-2012/persons-arrested/persons-arrested:

Definition The FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program counts one arrest for each separate instance in which a person is arrested, cited, or summoned for an offense. The UCR Program collects arrest data on 28 offenses, as described in Offense Definitions. (Please note that, beginning in 2010, the UCR Program no longer collected data on runaways.) Because a person may be arrested multiple times during a year, the UCR arrest figures do not reflect the number of individuals who have been arrested; rather, the arrest data show the number of times that persons are arrested, as reported by law enforcement agencies to the UCR Program.

The estimated arrest rate for the United States in 2012 was 3,888.2 arrests per 100,000 inhabitants. The arrest rate for violent crime (including murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault) was 166.3 per 100,000 inhabitants, and the arrest rate for property crime (burglary, larceny-theft, motor vehicle theft, and arson) was 528.1 per 100,000 inhabitants. (See Table 30.)

I think it's very unlikely that it's a completely different 3.9% that's getting arrested every single year -- so IMO, this study must be bogus!

41 posted on 01/20/2014 6:26:43 PM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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Idle hands are the devil’s playground.

Young men need to work, be physically active, and physically exhausted by dinnertime. I played football, baseball, and ran track. It was rare that I could stay up past 10 on a school night.

The move by many school districts away from recess and mandatory PE class has really hurt boys. Of course the pharmaceutical industry has seen great windfalls from it. Gotta dope them boys up to get them to sit still don’tcha know.

That being said, take those stats and remove misdemeanor possession of marijuana and minor in possession of alcohol. That would be a better indicator.


42 posted on 01/20/2014 6:27:48 PM PST by Tailback
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http://www.ccjs.umd.edu/facultyprofile/Paternoster/Ray

http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=LiBUfSUAAAAJ&hl=en
http://www.albany.edu/scj/shawn_bushway.php


44 posted on 01/20/2014 6:30:39 PM PST by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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I found the actual article, haven’t read it yet:

http://cad.sagepub.com/content/early/2013/12/18/0011128713514801.full.pdf+html

In Crime and Delinquency magazine.


45 posted on 01/20/2014 6:31:03 PM PST by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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When I was 27 or so, I let my 3-month-old puppy off his leash in a public park. He dived into the lake in futile pursuit of a Canada Goose, who I'm pretty sure just laughed at him.

But the episode was witnessed by the Park Police, and I got a citation.

I hope this counts as having an arrest record, because I need to build up my street cred.

48 posted on 01/20/2014 6:38:06 PM PST by southernnorthcarolina ("The power to tax is the power to destroy." -- Chief Justice John Marshall, 1819)
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Those are crazy statistics. There is not a single person I know that has ever been arrested. Maybe I just hang out with the right people.


50 posted on 01/20/2014 6:40:30 PM PST by SamAdams76
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Used to be you could not trust democrats, any democrat..
NOW you cannot trust republicans either..


52 posted on 01/20/2014 6:45:19 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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A sign of decline, yes, but is that decline evidenced principally in more immoral behavior on the part of the young — things that would have been recognizably criminal in, say 1900 or even 1975 — or is it evidenced more in the decadent attitude that wishes to criminalize everything that is mildly disturbing or inconvenient, fancies that more laws (even in the absence of morals) will improve behavior, and the rise of a police state supported by this latter sort of decadence?

Had current attitudes prevailed back in the 1970’s, I’m sure I’d have been run on various and sundry charges (including criminal trespass for tramping around an abandoned quarry and the local cemetery after hours, some sort of explosives charges for the little incendiary devices I and my schoolmates used to make out of home-made black powder or a mixture of sugar and saltpeter, and underage drinking) before hitting 23. How many bar room or barracks brawls between soldiers or students back in the 1940’s and 50’s ended in criminal charges? How about fist fights in junior highs or high schools ending in arrests? Plenty do now, and I’ll warrant with the pressure our schools put on young men to get them to act like well-behaved girls, such events are less common than they were in 40’s and 50’.


54 posted on 01/20/2014 6:54:24 PM PST by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know...)
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Twice here, not counting the times I was let out of handcuffs without being charged. In the charges I did get, I beat the charges both times. My personal motto is “Hey, Never Convicted”.

It’s part of the reason I left California: The charges I did face there aren’t even arrest-able charges where I live now. It was only a matter of time before I drew a ‘public nuisance’ wobbler charge in California for having a smart look on my face near a protected wetlands or not saluting the gay rainbow flag or something.


57 posted on 01/20/2014 7:01:15 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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The real issue is that there are so many laws these days that it is very easy to end up not only arrested, but have a criminal record.

It's about revenue enhancement more than public safety. In the old days, the schoolyard fight is just that. These days, it's a police matter.

60 posted on 01/20/2014 7:12:45 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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BTW - Between 18 and 23?

MIP (minor in possession of alcohol) and marijuana.

62 posted on 01/20/2014 7:13:48 PM PST by Darren McCarty (Abortion - legalized murder for convenience)
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I do not think these numbers are accurate. I think as an example that one person was arrested 10 times, another 4 etc so the overall average is much lower.


67 posted on 01/20/2014 8:41:58 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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