I have already read all the sources you posted.
However, you are determining the definition of celibacy used on this thread. Celibacy is not just the state of not being married which even your cut and paste recognizes. Celibacy does not ONLY mean being unmarried.
Celibate (aka Chaste or Spiritual) marriages existed, yet you claimed they did not. You are incorrect. Marriages where both participates abstained existed, it is not an oxymoron. if you know they existed, why did you claim the do not.
“I have already read all the sources you posted.”
Great, then we shouldn’t be having this conversation at this point.
“However, you are determining the definition of celibacy used on this thread.”
No. That was already done by the thread itself. I simply accept what is. You’re the one trying to alter the definition.
“Celibacy is not just the state of not being married which even your cut and paste recognizes.”
But in this thread the issue which came up was celibacy (clerical celibacy), not a marriage without a sexual relationship but no marriage at all. That can mean only one thing - by definition.
“Celibacy does not ONLY mean being unmarried.”
Clerical celibacy does. That was the point.
“Celibate (aka Chaste or Spiritual) marriages existed, yet you claimed they did not.”
False. I never once said Josephite marriages did not exist. I said celibate marriages could not exist by definition - especially in regard to the issue of clerical celibacy as presented in this thread - and I am absolutely right on that score.
“You are incorrect.”
No, I’m correct.
“Marriages where both participates abstained existed, it is not an oxymoron.”
I never claimed it was an oxymoron. I said Josephite marriages existed. What makes no sense is to say that an “unmarried married” state can exist. It can’t. That’s what you’ve been doing.
“if you know they existed, why did you claim the do not.”
I didn’t. It is amazing to me how you keeping getting this wrong. Why are you just making things up and imputing them to me as if I said them? How honest on your part can that be? I never once denied that Josephite marriages existed. What I deny is that this thread is about Josephite marriages when the “celibacy” issue presented was clearly about clerical celibacy and not Josephite marriages.