Posted on 01/19/2014 5:30:35 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
Regardless of the culture a child lives in, corporal punishment may do lasting psychological harm, German researchers say.
In a new study conducted in Tanzania, where physical punishment is considered normal, primary school students who were beaten by teachers or family members in the name of discipline tended to show more behavior problems, not fewer, the researchers found.
"Parents aim to educate children through corporal punishment, but instead of learning good social behaviors, the beatings often have the opposite effect," said Tobias Hecker, a psychologist at the University of Konstanz, who led the study.
"Some people still believe, despite an overwhelming body of evidence, that corporal punishment in some cultures won't result in as many negative effects," George Holden told Reuters Health.
"But, as this study shows, it's difficult to find support for that argument," said Holden, a professor of psychology at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, who was not involved in the study.
Past research, mainly in industrialized countries, has found that children and teens who experience corporal punishment may "externalize" their negative experiences in the form of bad behavior and emotional problems, Hecker and his colleagues write in the journal Child Abuse & Neglect.
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I agree with Dr. Laura, a flaming Lefty:
A single smack on the butt to get a toddler’s attention is okay. And the reason for smacking them on the butt is that it hurts LESS and is safer than smacking them elsewhere.
A parent who spanks children is a parent who has run out of ideas.
A common problem with spanking is that it easily morphs from an intentional “punishment” to an outlet for a parent’s frustration and anger—and the self-deception in this is practically impenetrable. And the more spanking, the more rage in the child.
Spanking children is favored by morons.
I absolutely agree with both of your points. I would add that there are some children who do not seem to respond to physical punishment, in which case the adult needs to figure out another strategy than to make the physical punishment more severe. The latter course gets into child abuse rather quickly.
Back to these young criminals — They probably were not spanked as babies; they certainly were not flogged for their crimes. The usual sentence was: for a first offence, a warning — a scolding, often without trial. After several offenses a sentence of confinement but with sentence suspended and the youngster placed on probation. A boy might be arrested may times and convicted several times before he was punished — and then it would be merely confinement, with others like him from whom he learned still more criminal habits. If he kept out of major trouble while confined, he could usually evade most of even that mild punishment, be given probation — ‘paroled’ in the jargon of the times.
“This incredible sequence could go on for years while his crimes increased in frequency and viciousness, with no punishment whatever save rare dull-but-comfortable confinements. Then suddenly, usually by law on his eighteenth birthday, this so-called ‘juvenile delinquent’ becomes an adult criminal — and sometimes wound up in only weeks or months in a death cell awaiting execution for murder.”
He had singled me out again. “Suppose you merely scolded your puppy, never punished him, let him go on making messes in the house ... and occasionally locked him up in an outbuilding but soon let him back into the house with a warning not to do it again. Then one day you notice that he is now a grown dog and still not housebroken — whereupon you whip out a gun and shoot him dead. Comment, please?”
“Why ... that’s the craziest way to raise a dog I ever heard of!”
“I agree. Or a child. Whose fault would it be?”
“Uh ... why, mine, I guess.”
“Again I agree. But I’m not guessing.”
“Mr. Dubois,” a girl blurted out, “but why? Why didn’t they spank little kids when they needed it and use a good dose of the strap on any older ones who deserved it — the sort of lesson they wouldn’t forget! I mean ones who did things really bad. Why not?”
“I don’t know,” he had answered grimly, “except that the time-tested method of instilling social virtue and respect for law in the minds of the young did not appeal to a pre-scientific pseudo-professional class who called themselves ‘social workers’ or sometimes ‘child psychologists.’ It was too simple for them, apparently, since anybody could do it, using only the patience and firmness needed in training a puppy. I have sometimes wondered if they cherished a vested interest in disorder — but that is unlikely; adults almost always act from conscious ‘highest motives’ no matter what their behavior.”
“But — good heavens!” the girl answered. “I didn’t like being spanked any more than any kid does, but when I needed it, my mama delivered. The only time I ever got a switching in school I got another one when I got home — and that was years and years ago. I don’t ever expect to be hauled up in front of a judge and sentenced to a flogging; you behave yourself and such things don’t happen. I don’t see anything wrong with our system; it’s a lot better than not being able to walk outdoors for fear of your life — why that’s horrible!”
“I agree. Young lady, the tragic wrongness of what those well-meaning people did, contrasted with what they thought they were doing, goes very deep. They had no scientifc theory of morals. They did have a theory of morals and they tried to live by it (I should not have sneered at their motives), but their theory was wrong — half of it fuzzy-headed wishful thinking, half of it rationalized charlatanry. The more earnest they were, the farther it led them astray. You see, they assumed that Man had a moral instinct.”
“Sir? I thought — But he does! I have.”
“No, my dear, you have a cultivated conscience, a most carefully trained one. Man has no moral instinct. He is not born with moral sense. You were not born with it, I was not — and a puppy has none. We acquire moral sense, when we do, through training, experience, and hard sweat of the mind. These unfortunate juvenile criminals were born with none, even as you and I, and they had no chance to acquire any; their experiences did not permit it.
(”Starship Troopers” - Heinlein)
My sister is a pediatrician/psychiatrist, and an expert on child abuse.
She has described to me what is all-too-typical among people of non-pallor. They allow a child to disobey over and over and over and over—and then they beat the kid half to death. This even occurs in public places like restaurants and laundromats. Experts call it something like “discipline by terror.”
Spanking persists in the world not because it is smart, or that it works. It exists because adults are bigger than children.
Spanking appears to be one of those subjects that draw the morons and sadists on FR out of the woodwork.
Completely ineffective, but fun for certain types of twisted perverts.
Small swats when little tend to prevent big ones when they sre big is what I have heard.
My mother was never swatted. She was quite self centered.
Spanking absolutely causes misbehavior.
It destroys the relationship between the child and parent.
It fills the child with fear and rage.
An angry, mistrustful child is a child who will misbehave.
I despise people who spank their children. They often get what they deserve from their children.
Morons may favor spanking, but that doesn’t mean the wise don’t apply it judiciously.
There is a difference between getting a beating just because it’s Monday and getting a spanking because a child really, really did something bad.
I can only recall two spankings (some might call them a beating) when I was a child. In both cases I was guilty as all get out and knew I was wrong before the spanking commenced.
And I never, ever repeated those mistakes while under my fathers roof.
Physical punishment tied to me doing what I was told.....
Every day in the NYC papers there is a story of a child - usually a male - scalded to death in a bathtub for bad behavior. Al Sharpton certainly doesn’t care!
And, you’re right, nothing brings out kooks like this subject. The only other subject I can think of that brings out the kooks is the story of some poor lazy, disgusting, unintelligent slob without an engineering degree on Unemployment because of the Obama economy.
Butterfield is the eponym for "The Butterfield Effect", used to refer to a person who "makes a statement that is ludicrous on its face, yet it reveals what the speaker truly believes", especially if expressing a supposed paradox when a causal relationship should be obvious.[6] The particular article that sparked this was titled "More Inmates, Despite Drop In Crime" by Butterfield in the New York Times on November 8, 2004.[7]
Charming story, Bert.
Working around a lot of teens, I’ve noticed the opposite.
Granted, there is a huge difference between a “spanking” and a “beating.”
um...
so they noticed that kids that gets disciplined have more discipline problems?
lol
OF COURSE! Otherwise why were they being disciplined in the first place!
These researchers have cause and effect all messed up.
Broad-brush much? As several posters (including yourself) have pointed out, there are all sorts of “spankings”, with all sorts of attitudes and motives involved. A single corrective swat on the fundament is not the same as a savage beating given in anger, nor will the two produce the same effect on the child.
Absolute crock of bullshit.
in the 40’s 50 and some of the 60’s our society used spankings etc to teach children how to behave. School shootings? ZERO... Number of kids committing suicide because of bullying? Very few if any...
The past few decades. No spanking. No punishment at all for most things. School shootings dozens, Suicides from bullying dozens.
Take you crap studies and shove them back up where they belong..........
I pointed that out, too.
There are several other subjects that bring out the Neanderthals. Capital punishment is one. A favorite posting I remember here on FR: complaining because someone about to be executed was allowed to see a priest, and went to confession. It was “cheating,” because the purpose of the death penalty is to send criminals to Hell.
in the 40’s 50 and some of the 60’s our society used spankings etc to teach children how to behave. School shootings? ZERO... Number of kids committing suicide because of bullying? Very few if any...
The past few decades. No spanking. No punishment at all for most things. School shootings dozens, Suicides from bullying dozens.
Take you crap studies and shove them back up where they belong..........
Agreed. Per capita violent crime has more than doubled since 1960. It's only because of advances in emergency room care via combat medicine that murder rates have gone down a little. That's no comfort to the victims who are maimed for life:
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| Year | Population | Total | Violent | Property | Murder | Rape | Robbery | assault | Burglary | Theft | Theft |
| 1960 | 179,323,175 | 1,887.2 | 160.9 | 1,726.3 | 5.1 | 9.6 | 60.1 | 86.1 | 508.6 | 1,034.7 | 183.0 |
| 1961 | 182,992,000 | 1,906.1 | 158.1 | 1,747.9 | 4.8 | 9.4 | 58.3 | 85.7 | 518.9 | 1,045.4 | 183.6 |
| 1962 | 185,771,000 | 2,019.8 | 162.3 | 1,857.5 | 4.6 | 9.4 | 59.7 | 88.6 | 535.2 | 1,124.8 | 197.4 |
| 1963 | 188,483,000 | 2,180.3 | 168.2 | 2,012.1 | 4.6 | 9.4 | 61.8 | 92.4 | 576.4 | 1,219.1 | 216.6 |
| 1964 | 191,141,000 | 2,388.1 | 190.6 | 2,197.5 | 4.9 | 11.2 | 68.2 | 106.2 | 634.7 | 1,315.5 | 247.4 |
| 1965 | 193,526,000 | 2,449.0 | 200.2 | 2,248.8 | 5.1 | 12.1 | 71.7 | 111.3 | 662.7 | 1,329.3 | 256.8 |
| 1966 | 195,576,000 | 2,670.8 | 220.0 | 2,450.9 | 5.6 | 13.2 | 80.8 | 120.3 | 721.0 | 1,442.9 | 286.9 |
| 1967 | 197,457,000 | 2,989.7 | 253.2 | 2,736.5 | 6.2 | 14.0 | 102.8 | 130.2 | 826.6 | 1,575.8 | 334.1 |
| 1968 | 199,399,000 | 3,370.2 | 298.4 | 3,071.8 | 6.9 | 15.9 | 131.8 | 143.8 | 932.3 | 1,746.6 | 393.0 |
| 1969 | 201,385,000 | 3,680.0 | 328.7 | 3,351.3 | 7.3 | 18.5 | 148.4 | 154.5 | 984.1 | 1,930.9 | 436.2 |
| 1970 | 203,235,298 | 3,984.5 | 363.5 | 3,621.0 | 7.9 | 18.7 | 172.1 | 164.8 | 1,084.9 | 2,079.3 | 456.8 |
| 1971 | 206,212,000 | 4,164.7 | 396.0 | 3,768.8 | 8.6 | 20.5 | 188.0 | 178.8 | 1,163.5 | 2,145.5 | 459.8 |
| 1972 | 208,230,000 | 3,961.4 | 401.0 | 3,560.4 | 9.0 | 22.5 | 180.7 | 188.8 | 1,140.8 | 1,993.6 | 426.1 |
| 1973 | 209,851,000 | 4,154.4 | 417.4 | 3,737.0 | 9.4 | 24.5 | 183.1 | 200.5 | 1,222.5 | 2,071.9 | 442.6 |
| 1974 | 211,392,000 | 4,850.4 | 461.1 | 4,389.3 | 9.8 | 26.2 | 209.3 | 215.8 | 1,437.7 | 2,489.5 | 462.2 |
| 1975 | 213,124,000 | 5,298.5 | 487.8 | 4,810.7 | 9.6 | 26.3 | 220.8 | 231.1 | 1,532.1 | 2,804.8 | 473.7 |
| 1976 | 214,659,000 | 5,287.3 | 467.8 | 4,819.5 | 8.7 | 26.6 | 199.3 | 233.2 | 1,448.2 | 2,921.3 | 450.0 |
| 1977 | 216,332,000 | 5,077.6 | 475.9 | 4,601.7 | 8.8 | 29.4 | 190.7 | 247.0 | 1,419.8 | 2,729.9 | 451.9 |
| 1978 | 218,059,000 | 5,140.4 | 497.8 | 4,642.5 | 9.0 | 31.0 | 195.8 | 262.1 | 1,434.6 | 2,747.4 | 460.5 |
| 1979 | 220,099,000 | 5,565.5 | 548.9 | 5,016.6 | 9.8 | 34.7 | 218.4 | 286.0 | 1,511.9 | 2,999.1 | 505.6 |
| 1980 | 225,349,264 | 5,950.0 | 596.6 | 5,353.3 | 10.2 | 36.8 | 251.1 | 298.5 | 1,684.1 | 3,167.0 | 502.2 |
| 1981 | 229,146,000 | 5,858.2 | 594.3 | 5,263.8 | 9.8 | 36.0 | 258.7 | 289.7 | 1,649.5 | 3,139.7 | 474.7 |
| 1982 | 231,534,000 | 5,603.7 | 571.1 | 5,032.5 | 9.1 | 34.0 | 238.9 | 289.1 | 1,488.8 | 3,084.9 | 458.9 |
| 1983 | 233,981,000 | 5,175.0 | 537.7 | 4,637.3 | 8.3 | 33.7 | 216.5 | 279.2 | 1,337.7 | 2,869.0 | 430.8 |
| 1984 | 236,158,000 | 5,031.3 | 539.2 | 4,492.1 | 7.9 | 35.7 | 205.4 | 290.2 | 1,263.7 | 2,791.3 | 437.1 |
| 1985 | 238,740,000 | 5,207.1 | 556.6 | 4,650.5 | 8.0 | 37.1 | 208.5 | 302.9 | 1,287.3 | 2,901.2 | 462.0 |
| 1986 | 240,132,887 | 5,480.4 | 620.1 | 4,881.8 | 8.6 | 38.1 | 226.0 | 347.4 | 1,349.8 | 3,022.1 | 509.8 |
| 1987 | 243,400,000 | 5,550.0 | 609.7 | 4,940.3 | 8.3 | 37.4 | 212.7 | 351.3 | 1,329.6 | 3,081.3 | 529.5 |
| 1988 | 245,807,000 | 5,664.2 | 637.2 | 5,027.1 | 8.4 | 37.6 | 220.9 | 370.2 | 1,309.2 | 3,134.9 | 582.9 |
| 1989 | 248,239,000 | 5,741.0 | 663.1 | 5,077.9 | 8.7 | 38.1 | 233.0 | 383.4 | 1,276.3 | 3,171.3 | 630.4 |
| 1990 | 248,709,873 | 5,820.3 | 731.8 | 5,088.5 | 9.4 | 41.2 | 257.0 | 424.1 | 1,235.9 | 3,194.8 | 657.8 |
| 1991 | 252,177,000 | 5,897.8 | 758.1 | 5,139.7 | 9.8 | 42.3 | 272.7 | 433.3 | 1,252.0 | 3,228.8 | 658.9 |
| 1992 | 255,082,000 | 5,660.2 | 757.5 | 4,902.7 | 9.3 | 42.8 | 263.6 | 441.8 | 1,168.2 | 3,103.0 | 631.5 |
| 1993 | 257,908,000 | 5,484.4 | 746.8 | 4,737.7 | 9.5 | 41.1 | 255.9 | 440.3 | 1,099.2 | 3,032.4 | 606.1 |
| 1994 | 260,341,000 | 5,373.5 | 713.6 | 4,660.0 | 9.0 | 39.3 | 237.7 | 427.6 | 1,042.0 | 3,026.7 | 591.3 |
| 1995 | 262,755,000 | 5,274.9 | 684.5 | 4,591.3 | 8.2 | 37.1 | 220.9 | 418.3 | 987.1 | 3,043.8 | 560.4 |
| 1996 | 265,284,000 | 5,087.6 | 636.6 | 4,451.0 | 7.4 | 36.3 | 201.9 | 390.9 | 945.0 | 2,980.3 | 525.7 |
| 1997 | 267,637,000 | 4,927.3 | 611.0 | 4,316.3 | 6.8 | 35.9 | 186.1 | 382.1 | 919.6 | 2,891.8 | 505.7 |
| 1998 | 270,296,000 | 4,615.5 | 566.4 | 4,049.1 | 6.3 | 34.4 | 165.2 | 360.5 | 862.0 | 2,728.1 | 459.0 |
| 1999 | 272,690,813 | 4,266.5 | 523.0 | 3,743.6 | 5.7 | 32.8 | 150.1 | 334.3 | 770.4 | 2,550.7 | 422.5 |
| 2000 | 281,421,906 | 4,124.8 | 506.5 | 3,618.3 | 5.5 | 32.0 | 145.0 | 324.0 | 728.8 | 2,477.3 | 412.2 |
| 2001 | 285,317,559 |
4,162.6 | 504.5 | 3,658.1 | 5.6 | 31.8 | 148.5 | 318.6 | 741.8 | 2,485.7 | 430.5 |
| 2002 | 287,973,924 |
4,125.0 | 494.4 | 3,630.6 | 5.6 | 33.1 | 146.1 | 309.5 | 747.0 | 2,450.7 | 432.9 |
| 2003 | 290,690,788 |
4,067.0 | 475.8 | 3,591.2 | 5.7 | 32.3 | 142.5 | 295.4 | 741.0 | 2,416.5 | 433.7 |
| 2004 | 293,656,842 |
3,977.3 | 463.2 | 3,514.1 | 5.5 | 32.4 | 136.7 | 288.6 | 730.3 | 2,362.3 | 421.5 |
| 2005 | 296,507,061 | 3,900.5 | 469.0 | 3,431.5 | 5.6 | 31.8 | 140.8 | 290.8 | 726.9 | 2,287.8 | 416.8 |
| 2006 | 299,398,484 | 3,808.1 | 473.6 | 3,334.5 | 5.7 | 30.9 | 149.4 | 287.5 | 729.4 | 2,206.8 | 398.4 |
| 2007 | 301,621,157 | 3,730.4 | 466.9 | 3,263.5 | 5.6 | 30.0 | 147.6 | 283.8 | 722.5 | 2,177.8 | 363.3 |
| 2008 | 304,374,846 | 3,669.0 | 457.5 | 3,211.5 | 5.4 | 29.7 | 145.7 | 276.7 | 732.1 | 2,167.0 | 314.7 |
| 2009 | 307,006,550 | 3,465.5 | 431.9 | 3,036.1 | 5.0 | 29.1 | 133.1 | 264.7 | 717.7 | 2,064.5 | 259.2 |
| 2010 | 309,330,219 | 3,350.4 | 404.5 | 2,945.9 | 4.8 | 27.7 | 119.3 | 252.8 | 701.0 | 2,005.8 | 239.1 |
| 2011 | 311,587,816 | 3,292.5 | 387.1 | 2,905.4 | 4.7 | 27.0 | 113.9 | 241.5 | 701.3 | 1,974.1 | 230.0 |
| 2012 | 313,914,040 | 3,246.1 | 386.9 | 2,859.2 | 4.7 | 26.9 | 112.9 | 242.3 | 670.2 | 1,959.3 | 229.7 |
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