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Top US leadership feels diplomat row with India 'most stupid thing to do'
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Posted on 01/11/2014 9:37:19 AM PST by MBT ARJUN

Recognising the damage that the diplomat row has done to the India-US relationship, there is a realisation in the top American leadership that "it was the most stupid thing to do" on their part and that they would now have to "work overtime" to bring back the ties on track. As Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade landed in New Delhi last night, there was a sense of relief in the US government, with officials expressing their determination to move forward the relationship, which President Barack Obama has described as the defining partnership of the 21st century. "The US and India enjoy a broad and deep friendship, and this isolated episode is not indicative of the close and mutually respectful ties that we share," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said. Obama, sources said, was regularly updated on the development and National Security Advisor Susan Rice too was monitoring the situation; so was Secretary of State John Kerry, it is believed. "This has clearly been a challenging time in the US-India relationship. We expect and hope that this will now come to closure and the Indians will now take significant steps with us to improve our relationship and return it to a more constructive place," State Department Spokesperson Jen Psaki told reporters. Arrested on December 12, Khobragade, 39, was strip- searched and held with criminals, triggering a row between the two countries with India retaliating by downgrading privileges of certain category of US diplomats among other steps. Now that the Khobragade has returned to India, sources told PTI that there was "furious" reaction in the top American leadership when this was first brought to their notice on December 12, the day Khobragade was arrested in New York on charges of visa fraud and misrepresentation of facts. "It was one of the most stupid thing to do," a top American leader is learnt to have said, referring to the damage the diplomat's case has done to India-US ties. In fact a source pointed that the level of "furious reaction" in the top American leadership was similar to that of India. "If the Indians were furious, so were we." It is one of the reasons why Kerry, in the middle of his overseas trip, made it a point to reach out to External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid. Since he was not available at that time, Kerry spoke with National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon. During the conversation, Kerry is believed to have apologised for the incident, sources said. But the public statement issued by the State Department noted that Kerry expressed his regret to Menon. However, the strong Indian reaction did not go down well in the US as well. "There are stupid people on our side. There are stupid people on your side too," sources said. "The overwhelming opinion was this should not have happened. The sense was that there was a sectorial bureaucracy, which pursued an issue and the people who had the big picture, either had taken the eyes off the ball or were in the middle of transition," said another source familiar with the conversation happening at the senior level of US government and among the lawmakers. "For whatever reason, the big picture guys did not stop the sectorial bureaucracy at the time when people should have said, look where is this issue going," sources said, adding the sentence "that this should not have happened" is being said both at the Hill and the corridor of powers here. Sources said the case was handled by those people who did not had the sense what would be the repercussions of such an action. And by the time it came to the notice of the top US leadership, it had entered the domain of the judiciary. This coupled with a strong retaliatory action by India, sources said, tied down their hands. One sentiment encountered at fairly senior level in Washington was a feeling that nobody needed this problem and that this was badly handed. "Now that it has happened, we need to resolve this. The thought is there that we need to make sure that such things do not happen again," sources said. There was a growing sense in the Obama Administration yesterday that they would like to put this episode behind them and move forward as quickly as possible. While"Devyani was seen off at the airport by an official of the State Department," he told reporters Friday morning. "He told Devyani that, 'Madam, I am sorry, and it was wrong.' She told the official, 'You have lost a good friend. It is unfortunate. In return, you got a maid and a drunken driver. They are in, and we are out.'


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To: MBT ARJUN

MUZZIES do not get on well with Hindus!


21 posted on 01/11/2014 10:44:55 AM PST by WellyP (question!)
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To: Theoria

Ooh. A rational post amongst all the dross.


22 posted on 01/11/2014 10:45:51 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MBT ARJUN
Top US leadership feels diplomat row with India 'most stupid thing to do'

They could give the prosecutor, bureaucrats and cops involved, an all expense paid trip to India without diplomatic immunity to prove it.

23 posted on 01/11/2014 10:50:54 AM PST by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it, and the Constitution and law mean what WE say.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

You have clearly never left Canadian thinking to embrace US ideals.
This is about whether everyone is equal under the law.

She is the same as anyone else.

Period.

No special treatment a local plumber or insurance agent wouldn’t get.

You want something different to be the case in the US then Democratic Underground not Free Republic is the site for you. Maybe you could try Daily Kos.


24 posted on 01/11/2014 10:51:53 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

“This has clearly been a challenging time in the US-India relationship. We expect and hope that this will now come to closure and the Indians will now take significant steps with us to improve our relationship and return it to a more constructive place,”

Now that India has finally realized the US is a police state.


25 posted on 01/11/2014 11:13:21 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Yeah and Nixon sided with China and Pakistan. Read up on Pakistan’s attempted ethnic cleansing/jihad in Bangladesh (then East Pakistan) and Operation Torch.

‘Siding’ as much as they did with the Russians made sense for them at the time.


26 posted on 01/11/2014 11:14:08 AM PST by SwampScout506
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To: Former Proud Canadian

This was a manifestly top down incident. The winners are Muslim interests, straight out of the Obama playbook.


27 posted on 01/11/2014 11:30:41 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: MrEdd

No special treatment in the US for certain individuals based on status?

LOL. Look up the recent legal context of the word, ‘affluenza’.


28 posted on 01/11/2014 11:38:21 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: MBT ARJUN

If she was violating the law they ought to have simply requested through channels that she be replaced, and the reason why.

A cavity search? Really? Of a diplomat?

India should continue to ramp up the payback until they manage to register pain with State Department. Someone ought to have lost their job over this. They will be lucky if US embassy staff don’t find themselves arrested and cavity-searched just to make a point.


29 posted on 01/11/2014 11:38:47 AM PST by marron
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To: MBT ARJUN

Top US leadership feels diplomat row 'most stupid thing to do'

Washington, Jan 11, 2014 (PTI):
Diplomat Devyani Khobragade at South Block in New Delhi on Saturday. PTI Photo

Recognising the damage that the diplomat row has done to the India-US relationship, there is a realisation in the top American leadership that "it was the most stupid thing to do" on their part and that they would now have to "work overtime" to bring back the ties on track.

As Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade landed in New Delhi last night, there was a sense of relief in the US government, with officials expressing their determination to move forward the relationship, which President Barack Obama has described as the defining partnership of the 21st century.

"The US and India enjoy a broad and deep friendship, and this isolated episode is not indicative of the close and mutually respectful ties that we share," White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said.

Obama, sources said, was regularly updated on the development and National Security Advisor Susan Rice too was monitoring the situation; so was Secretary of State John Kerry, it is believed.


"This has clearly been a challenging time in the US-India relationship. We expect and hope that this will now come to closure and the Indians will now take significant steps with us to improve our relationship and return it to a more constructive place," State Department Spokesperson Jen Psaki told reporters.

Arrested on December 12, Khobragade, 39, was strip- searched and held with criminals, triggering a row between the two countries with India retaliating by downgrading privileges of certain category of US diplomats among other steps.

Now that the Khobragade has returned to India, sources told PTI that there was "furious" reaction in the top American leadership when this was first brought to their notice on December 12, the day Khobragade was arrested in New York on charges of visa fraud and misrepresentation of facts.

"It was one of the most stupid thing to do," a top American leader is learnt to have said, referring to the damage the diplomat's case has done to India-US ties.

In fact a source pointed that the level of "furious reaction" in the top American leadership was similar to that of India.     "If the Indians were furious, so were we."

It is one of the reasons why Kerry, in the middle of his overseas trip, made it a point to reach out to External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid. Since he was not available at that time, Kerry spoke with National Security Advisor Shivshankar Menon.

During the conversation, Kerry is believed to have apologised for the incident, sources said.

But the public statement issued by the State Department noted that Kerry expressed his regret to Menon.

However, the strong Indian reaction did not go down well in the US as well.

"There are stupid people on our side. There are stupid people on your side too," sources said.

"The overwhelming opinion was this should not have happened. The sense was that there was a sectorial bureaucracy, which pursued an issue and the people who had the big picture, either had taken the eyes off the ball or were in the middle of transition," said another source familiar with the conversation happening at the senior level of US government and among the lawmakers.

"For whatever reason, the big picture guys did not stop the sectorial bureaucracy at the time when people should have said, look where is this issue going," sources said, adding the sentence "that this should not have happened" is being said both at the Hill and the corridor of powers here.

Sources said the case was handled by those people who did not had the sense what would be the repercussions of such an action. And by the time it came to the notice of the top US leadership, it had entered the domain of the judiciary.
This coupled with a strong retaliatory action by India, sources said, tied down their hands.

One sentiment encountered at fairly senior level in Washington was a feeling that nobody needed this problem and that this was badly handed.

"Now that it has happened, we need to resolve this. The thought is there that we need to make sure that such things do not happen again," sources said.

There was a growing sense in the Obama Administration yesterday that they would like to put this episode behind them and move forward as quickly as possible.

30 posted on 01/11/2014 11:54:41 AM PST by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: MrEdd
I guess you didn't read my post, I was not defending her and, as far as I am concerned, the US can treat diplomats from other countries any way they want. But no matter, the cogency and strength of your arguments have won me over.

No special treatment for anyone. Hang her from the yardarm and damn the consequences. If America is left with no friends in the world, so be it. If US-Indian relations are set back for fifty years, at least the world will know America stands for equal treatment under the law.

Are you sure you aren't working this case for the State Department? Do you not see a bigger issue here? Do you really think that telling someone to post on another site is a winning argument? Do you know anything about "Canadian thinking" or are you just throwing random thoughts into the ether? Do you think the State Department treats all diplomats equally? Have you thought about this case at all?

31 posted on 01/11/2014 2:10:29 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: MBT ARJUN

The one instance where Obama could apologize and
what does India get? Zip.


32 posted on 01/11/2014 4:54:08 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian; MrEdd

“Equal treatment under the law” is a fantasy in America only subscribed to by delusional idiots.

Google ‘affluenza’.


33 posted on 01/12/2014 6:50:39 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: James C. Bennett; MrEdd

Well, I was going to say that too. Still haven’t heard anything from the drive by poster. Waiting...waiting...


34 posted on 01/12/2014 7:12:38 AM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Cruz/Palin 2016)
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To: untenured; MBT ARJUN
well, the point of view for India is "you strip search and handcuff our diplomat? And we thought we were friends -- you couldn't even do the courtesy of NOT strip searching her?"

To India it seems like this is something done to a fourth-rate power, not a rising power.

35 posted on 01/14/2014 5:58:45 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: DIRTYSECRET
well, the initial view of India was the naive "non-aligned" -- which Nehru really, honestly believed in, until the Chinese stabbed him in the back, hastening his death.

After that, US-India relations were actually on the up, until 1971 when Nixon sent an aircraft carrier to threaten India because India was stopping Pakistan's genocide of Bengalis

At that time, the USSR came unilaterally to India's aid, which made them very close friends.

however that's done. the evil empire collapsed 23 years ago.

36 posted on 01/14/2014 6:01:27 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Theoria
"she was playing her little castle system."

Actually it turns out that she is part of the untouchable caste

Diplomatic immunity is fine -- she could have been arrested quietly. Why handcuff and strip-search her?

37 posted on 01/14/2014 6:02:27 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Cronos
'Why handcuff and strip-search her? '

Standard procedure for taking someone into a secure facility with other suspected criminals. Everyone is a suspect in our system and is suspected of carrying something. One is handcuffed and striped for the safety of the officers. I don't like it, but it has been done for years.

38 posted on 01/14/2014 7:12:10 AM PST by Theoria (End Socialism : No more GOP and Dem candidates)
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To: DoughtyOne; DIRTYSECRET
I don't believe india has any scorn for the british. They had a love-hate relationship from 1919.

From 1857 to 1919 (the British Empirial heyday), Britain had only about a few thousand bureaucrats and in essence ruled through accomodation with the locals -- they knew enough not to be harsh

Indians more or less viewed them as their own, until 1919 and the Jallianwala Bagh massacre when their belief in the English idea of fair play was shattered

Even post independence, there was a love-hate relationship, more like friends with a past than anything.

39 posted on 01/14/2014 8:09:26 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
The State Department should have notified her boss of her crimes and told him to quietly get her out of the country pronto. Instead, somebody wanted to make an example of her and the result is an international incident.

This isn't about diplomatic immunity. It is about how you treat your friends and allies and those you wish were your friends and allies.

exactly

40 posted on 01/14/2014 8:10:51 AM PST by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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