Buzzfeed: Anti-Abortion Republicans Are Largely Quiet As Israel Adopts Liberal Abortion Law

Buzzfeed ^ | January 8th, 2014 | Kate Nocera

[MadIsh32]

WASHINGTON — Israel adopted this week one of the most liberal abortion laws in the world, and will now provide government funding for non-medical abortions for Israeli women aged 20 to 33.

But Washington’s most anti-abortion lawmakers are largely silent on the new policy. These same members of Congress are also some of Israel’s loudest defenders, highlighting a peculiar aspect of the relationship between many of Israel’s ardent U.S. supporters and Israel’s domestic political landscape.

Last month, a health ministry panel in Israel recommended the state pay for the abortions of women aged 20 to 33, including non-medical abortions. The measure was adopted this week, and will cost the state annually about $4.6 million. Unlike in the United States, abortion is relatively non-controversial in the country.

[Zionist Conspirator]

You're wasting your time, Yehuda. You and I both know that if the US cut off aid to Israel and kept it to every other nation that's getting it, these jokers would never utter a complaint.

Man! What kind of mind hates the Jews so much that it even resents helping them to exterminate themselves (G-d forbid!)?

[Gunslingr3]

Given the fact that our tax dollars are given to all these other nations, exactly what is it about tax dollars given to Israel that makes it so uniquely onorous?

Strawman.

No one said it was uniquely onerous.

They are ALL onerous, and should ALL be cut off. I've been clear and consistent on that, so please cease muddying the waters with made up arguments.

[Gunslingr3]

I don't care about Israel.

Oh, an atheist.

Tacit admission that the support of Israel is a religious cause? If that is indeed the case you have supplied an additional reason that the U.S. government should not be borrowing on the credit of the U.S. taxpayer to funnel money into Israel.

Shouldn't you be on a Communist forum somewhere?

I'm interested in a Free Republic, not a communist or theocratic government.

I don't think that American Buddhists, Hindus, muslims, Catholics, or even voodoo priests should be taxed to support a foreign government, of any stripe.

If you want so dearly to give money to Israel, send them your money. If you want to pay taxes to Israel, move there and pay taxes.

There is no just argument for taxing Americans to fund the governments of other nations, regardless of your affinity for them.

[Gunslingr3]

You and I both know that if the US cut off aid to Israel and kept it to every other nation that's getting it, these jokers would never utter a complaint.

But you're wrong, and I've already provided evidence to the contrary.

Man! What kind of mind hates the Jews so much that it even resents helping them to exterminate themselves (G-d forbid!)?

I have no hatred of Jews, or foreigners of any nation. I simply don't think they have a right to tax Americans, and that's what 'foreign aid' is - taxes placed on Americans to fund foreign governments.

I have no vote in the representation of the Knesset, why should they have my tax dollars? We fought a revolution over this principle once. You appear to forgotten, or never learned.

[ek_hornbeck]

This is something that never made sense to me.

Many Evangelical Christians give their unconditional support to Israel, in spite of the fact that Israeli government supports social policies that they oppose here in the US (homosexual "marriage", abortion, a welfare state).

Meanwhile, they condemn Muslim societies as backward, barbaric, and Medieval, even though the social policies and views of those Muslim nations on those social issues are probably much close to Evangelicals than those in Israel.

Similarly, leftists who advocate abortion and homosexuality spew their venom at "red state Americans" for opposing these things, oppose Israel in spite of its liberal policies, and support Muslim nations who actually put people to death for abortion and homosexuality (I guess Phil Robertson bad-mouthing gays is so much worse than some Imam ordering their decapitation).

[Zionist Conspirator]

Strawman.

No it's not.

No one said it was uniquely onerous.

I notice no one ever complains about the foreign aid to any other country than Israel. Indeed, the other countries are only mentioned in the context of condemning aid to Israel, to provide a phony cover of "consistency."

They are ALL onerous, and should ALL be cut off. I've been clear and consistent on that, so please cease muddying the waters with made up arguments.

Let's see you mention your opposition to foreign aid (which I am also against btw) someplace than a thread on Israel.

[Zionist Conspirator]

Tacit admission that the support of Israel is a religious cause?

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

If that is indeed the case you have supplied an additional reason that the U.S. government should not be borrowing on the credit of the U.S. taxpayer to funnel money into Israel.

So, are you also against blue laws, anti-vice laws, sin taxes, and laws against abortion and sodomy? Those laws are, after all, ultimately "theocratic." As are the laws against murder and theft, for that matter.

You do realize, I hope, that unless laws and standards come from G-d they have no objective existence whatsoever? Without G-d, what are all our laws and customs but constructs of the human mind? Hmmm?

[Zionist Conspirator]

But you're wrong, and I've already provided evidence to the contrary.

You've provided no evidence whatsoever. The only thing you have provided are your claims of consistency, of which I have seen no proof whatsoever.

I have no vote in the representation of the Knesset, why should they have my tax dollars? We fought a revolution over this principle once. You appear to forgotten, or never learned.

So Israel is Our Most Ancient Foe of All! All True Americans must take up arms against the arch-villainous Israelis who are tyrannizing us (doubtless through "international banking") just as the British once did! Shoot, I bet you think George III was only following the orders of the Rothschilds!

This thread never had anything to do with foreign aid. It is about Israel's unfortunately very liberal and anti-Halakhic domestic social policies. Why would a Proud Rationalist like yourself come onto a thread bashing Israel for violations of Theocratic laws and start squawking about "foreign aid," other than to form an ideological and rhetorical "pincer movement?"

I smell the stench of Willis Carto about you. Kindly find a forum for The Truth Seeker and leave us Bible-thumpers alone.

[ek_hornbeck]

There is no just argument for taxing Americans to fund the governments of other nations, regardless of your affinity for them.

Agree. There is absolutely nothing in the US Constitution to authorize the transfer of funds from the US treasury to that of any foreign country.

As to why aid to Israel gets the most attention, there's a simple answer for that: Israel receives more foreign aid than any other country. However, I was equally opposed to the billions that we gave to corrupt African governments as alleged humanitarian/medical aid (by "compassionate conservative" George W. Bush, no less), and to Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

[ek_hornbeck]

There is no just argument for taxing Americans to fund the governments of other nations, regardless of your affinity for them.

When the US was dumping billions in aid to Sub-Saharan African countries (thereby helping to prop up governments like the ANC in South Africa), there was plenty of opposition to it from libertarians and conservatives. It's one of the many reasons I gag when people on both sides of the aisle call George W. Bush a "conservative."

[steve86]

I’m not quiet: I’m saying Israel (the country, as opposed to other meanings) can go to hell.

[Gunslingr3]

Strawman.

No it's not.

Yes, when you create an argument that wasn't proffered simply to deconstruct it, that is a strawman.

Not only did I not say that foreign aid to Israel was "uniquely onerous", but your secondary argument ("no ever ever complains about the foreign aid to any other country") was also false. I had already provided a link in this thread to a comment on this forum, in another thread, by me, decrying the direction of U.S. tax dollars to other foreign nations.

You've provided no evidence whatsoever. The only thing you have provided are your claims of consistency, of which I have seen no proof whatsoever.

I provided the 'evidence' you seek in post #29. Keep up.

I have no vote in the representation of the Knesset, why should they have my tax dollars? We fought a revolution over this principle once. You appear to forgotten, or never learned.

So Israel is Our Most Ancient Foe of All! All True Americans must take up arms against the arch-villainous Israelis who are tyrannizing us (doubtless through "international banking") just as the British once did! Shoot, I bet you think George III was only following the orders of the Rothschilds!

I simply don't think U.S. tax dollars should be given to a foreign government in which U.S. citizens have no representation. Taxation without representation was among the casus belli in the American war for independence. I think you should be free to give whatever of your own money you want to Israel. I think you should be free to move there and pay taxes to Israel if you desire. I don't think you should be able to direct U.S. taxes (and since we can't actually afford it, the reality is creating more U.S. debt on which the taxpayers must pay interest into perpetuity, in many cases to foreign governments) to fund foreign governments. Your prattling about conspiracies is a deliberate attempt to obfuscate a clear and simple point, and a rallying cry of our late revolution.

This thread never had anything to do with foreign aid. It is about Israel's unfortunately very liberal and anti-Halakhic domestic social policies. Why would a Proud Rationalist like yourself come onto a thread bashing Israel for violations of Theocratic laws and start squawking about "foreign aid," other than to form an ideological and rhetorical "pincer movement?"

Money is fungible. You understand that when the money goes to Planned Parenthood, right? The more U.S. tax dollars given to Israel to spend the easier it is for them to give away things like abortions. Let them choose between providing for their defense or funding the murder of their own unborn without American tax dollars. In such a case they may choose more wisely.

[Gunslingr3]

those wars were not only for Israel’s survival vs vastly numerically superior opp obit they were also PROXY WARS, as the sovs armed the FIVE SURROUNDING ARAB ARMIES and even with US aid, by the ends of those wars Israel was out of spares etc and would have been up against the sovs if the US backed away.

So your contention that the U.S. is what stopped the "IDF [when they] nearly exterminated their enemies’ militaries / destroyed their capitals" was indeed incorrect? Maybe you left off two more initials (SR), initially? My observation was correct, you (at best) exaggerated the situation.

U know what I am sick and tired of ignorant schmucks like u who discuss our wasteful managed aid program charactefjsing Israel as vampires.

If they'd quit feeding on the American taxpayer I wouldn't think of Israel as a parasite.

Siuya as YOU. are the leech here Israel spends all of that money HERE.

What good does it do the U.S. taxpayer to have money borrowed in his name (which we then borrow into perpetuity simply carrying the interest expense (which often itself goes to nations like China), to spend on military hardware for another nation? It provides pork for a few well positioned Congressman and owners of defense industry stocks, but it is a net loss to the American taxpayers. MADE IN THE U.S.A. stenciled on rocket parts that land in other nations make those people hate us, and furthermore make those people target us. It's a lose-lose situation for actual Americans.

Israel invented texting that u use to order your dope and your hookers

Curious turn of phrase given your desire to pimp the American taxpayer out to foreign nations.

they invent half the medicine we us for the cancer that has obviously este. Your soul if not 1/2 your brain.

The Jewish people are prodigious Nobel laureates. Oddly, over 10x more Nobel prizes have been won by Jews living in the U.S. than in Israel. My arms are open to immigration, but not to foreign aid.