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1 posted on 01/08/2014 7:41:27 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
It's the Cloward-Piven way.
2 posted on 01/08/2014 7:42:31 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Who knew that one day professional wrestling would be less fake than professional journalism?)
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To: SeekAndFind

The fools who RE-ELECTED “Barry” will pay the consequences.


3 posted on 01/08/2014 7:43:09 AM PST by cloudmountain (.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Barney Frank is on record as saying this was a path to Single Payer.


4 posted on 01/08/2014 7:43:26 AM PST by DBrow
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To: SeekAndFind

This is what these liars do. Reminds of of Ann Richards promising that the Texas Lotto would go to Education if approved. They lie to get what they want knowing they will not be held accountable.


7 posted on 01/08/2014 7:45:24 AM PST by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated populace is the biggest threat to our nation.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama announced this as his intention way before he was elected. No surprise at all.


8 posted on 01/08/2014 7:46:00 AM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: SeekAndFind

Well...duh.


9 posted on 01/08/2014 7:46:12 AM PST by Conservative4Ever (Happy New Year 2014)
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12 posted on 01/08/2014 7:47:25 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: SeekAndFind

But will people fall for “from bad to worse”?

They’ve done it before.


14 posted on 01/08/2014 7:51:27 AM PST by ryan71 (The Partisans)
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To: SeekAndFind

To the security/development points: I have worked with more than a handful of IT companies who manufacture appliances and develop programs for IT security and other corporate solutions. More often than not, these companies are run by sales people pushing their products with little development support for the products.

A good example goes like this: a company develops a software solution for the market. Sales people go out to IT shops across the country to sell the product to corporations that supposedly need the solution. More often than not, the products are “turnkey” and supposedly fit right into existing solutions regardless of the level of customization to those environments. The customer buys the appliances or stands up servers to support the software solution, a technical lead comes in to assist with the initial setup, the company gets their gold in the form of support contracts, and they leave the corporation to their devices.

As soon as something goes wrong with the solution or a vulnerability is found in the product, the buyer contacts the solutions provider, and the solutions provider hands off the buyer to a third-party to assist. The original solutions provider is non compos mentis, they’re involved solely in sales. In most cases, the developers of the original product have left to work for the third-party companies OR they’ve started their own to make a pretty penny bilking the originator of the product, for whom they used to work, and/or the buyer of the product if/when the support contract runs out.

The healthcare.gov website was likely setup by some government lackey’s brother’s college buddy’s girlfriend’s maid-of-honor’s husband’s cousin’s roommate. This guy was likely some marketing or business major who knew a bunch of computer science students and paid them to make a pretty webpage. These developers had no practical market knowledge, and once they delivered the final product, they spun off into their own companies to provide “support” for what we’re now expected to use. This is what we in the industry call “stove piping.” They take a core product and spin off a bunch of product solutions to “fix” the core product but wind up creating bigger holes and issues in the end.

The only way to “fix” this is to scrap it and build something from scratch with the properly baked-in fixes, but that’s never going to happen, and we all know it.


15 posted on 01/08/2014 7:52:22 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Other strong indications are that the backlash against this is strong enough to result in civil war and that citizens who are not even politically aware in a general sense will reluctantly kill family members to restore access to doctors if it takes that.


16 posted on 01/08/2014 7:52:47 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Single Payer IS the goal of this horrendous piece of tripe that is 0bama-don’t-care. Of that there can be no doubt.
That’s the next natural step in the progressive path to socialism.

Resist. At all costs, resist.


18 posted on 01/08/2014 7:55:45 AM PST by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: SeekAndFind
I don't think the website failure was part of the overall plan. The website was just a typical "give the overpriced, no-bid contract to friends" government action. The fiscal unsustainability was supposed to drive every insurance company out of the medical insurance business over the next few years leaving government control as the "only" solution, with the final debate being between a 100% solution like Canada or a 95% one like the UK where it is still legal to get treatment outside of the NHS.

If they were competent, the website would have been like the witch's gingerbread house in Hansel and Gretel - beautiful, tasty and just tempting you to come in and get shoved into the oven of socialized medicine. But fortunately they (#$%*(#( that up, warning the country that the whole program was bad.

23 posted on 01/08/2014 8:10:22 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Everyone get online for Obamacare on 10/1. Overload the system and crash it hard!)
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It won’t be long before a few patients who have tried and failed to get treatment die or suffer serious, debilitating complications. Who will get blamed when this happens?

If it's never really reported, does a patient really die?

Obituaries will unfortunately never say, "cause of death: Obamacare!"

24 posted on 01/08/2014 8:53:54 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: SeekAndFind

No doubt in my mind that Single Payer will be the next step and it will doubtless be ushered in by Hilary sometime after her instalation in 2016.


25 posted on 01/08/2014 9:09:02 AM PST by Rich21IE
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Particularly tragic circumstances would give the single-payer crowd openings to say, “See? They can’t be trusted. Keeping the private sector involved was a mistake. The government has to control healthcare, or it won’t work.”

Well Duh. The Regressives have been saying this for decades.

26 posted on 01/08/2014 9:17:36 AM PST by Cyber Liberty (H.L. Mencken: "The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule.")
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The policy cancellations, raising prices for insurance and inflated deductibles will all be blamed on those dirty greedy insurance companies and the only way to save healthcare is to kill off private health insurance and let the benevolent government run it. Whether this was the intention of Obamcare or not this will be the solution offered when Obamacare collapses in 2014.

However I think at least some of the American people have figured out that all the trouble with Obamcare is that it was based on total lies with the President himself blatantly and knowingly lying to the American people about keeping their policies and doctors. The ignorant and the press will buy the government will fix things story, but I think that most people now understand that Obama is a liar and cannot be trusted about anything related to health insurance.

27 posted on 01/08/2014 10:06:36 AM PST by The Great RJ
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To: SeekAndFind

Is it 1776 yet?


28 posted on 01/08/2014 2:49:07 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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Rush and Levin have been saying this for years.

It “should” backfire after all the government bungling and money wasting in that people will laugh at the idea of the government in total charge of the system.

But I forget we live with morons.


30 posted on 01/08/2014 3:28:27 PM PST by Fledermaus (If we here in TN can't get rid of the worthless Lamar, it's over.)
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