Couldn’t resist checking myself. What I posted earlier:
I found an even earlier report of the crash, at 4:25 Hawaii time, at http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/24198982/breaking-small-aircraft-crashes-off-kalaupapa?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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Hawaii Health Official Killed in Plane Crash
Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:16:27 PM · 74 of 142
butterdezillion to WildHighlander57
The crash was reported at 4:40pm Hawaii time, at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/makani-kai-plane-crashes-off-molokai/-/8905354/23442094/-/139fxot/-/index.html
but it was not yet known who was killed. The crash happened about 3:45 so that report wasn’t even a whole hour after the crash occurred, much less was reported to the airport tower and fire and Coast Guard crews out to make the rescues.
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Looks like either the NTSB is screwing up/scrubbing the timeline, or else somebody reported a fatality before there was one. Or maybe both.
http://www.cheapflights.com/flights-to-kalaupapa/honolulu/
Scheduled departure at 3:35 pm would give them plenty of time to get back to Honolulu to close the office by 5:00. It is 58.8 miles between the two as the crow flies and flight time is 30 minutes. It crashed 10 minutes into flight and was only a half mile off coast because pilot tried to make it back to airport. The airport is right on the coast. A rescue boat should have been there in moments. There is no Coast Guard stationed on the island so they’d have to come from Honolulu (30 minute Cessna flight time) or from Kahului, Maui which would take less time. No way it took rescuers 80 minutes to get there unless they stopped for donuts along the way.
At http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3100972/posts?page=74#74 I posted this:
To: WildHighlander57
The crash was reported at 4:40pm Hawaii time, at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/makani-kai-plane-crashes-off-molokai/-/8905354/23442094/-/139fxot/-/index.html
but it was not yet known who was killed. The crash happened about 3:45 so that report wasn’t even a whole hour after the crash occurred, much less was reported to the airport tower and fire and Coast Guard crews out to make the rescues.
At 7:20pm Hawaii time it was reported at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/sources-health-director-fuddy-died-in-molokai-plane-crash/-/8905354/23444570/-/pbqey2/-/index.html?absolute=true that Fuddy was the casualty. IIRC that report had a statement from Abercrombie.
74 posted on Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:16:27 PM by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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Now when you look at that link it has different content, without showing when the article was revised, but because of Free Republic, it is documented that the original article said there was one fatality but it was not known who the casualty was.
As I posted a little bit later in that thread, an earlier article at http://www.kitv.com/news/hawaii/makani-kai-plane-crashes-off-molokai/-/8905354/23442094/-/139fxot/-/index.html - with an original posting time of 8:25PM CST, which is 4:25pm HST - was titled “Breaking: Small Aircraft Crashed off Kalaupapa” with Twitterfeed as the source. That article says that the plane went down at about 3:45. So within 40 minutes of the plane going down it was reported on the news, and within 55 minutes it was reported that there was one casualty.
According to the timeline the NTSB is giving now (see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3107346/posts ), help crews didn’t even ARRIVE to check out the condition of the victims until 80 minutes after the crash - or 5:05pm. That’s 40 minutes after the crash was reported in the news and 25 minutes after it was reported in the news that there was one casualty. If the NTSB timeline is believed the rescue workers still had to pass Fuddy by, check out others, go back to Fuddy and determine her to be dead, and report it to the news reporter. If that whole process took 30 minutes, then the NTSB timeline would have the news reporting one dead almost an hour before anybody would have determined and reported that.
If the NTSB timeline is believed, a death from that plane crash was reported in the news before ANYBODY know that it had happened. IOW, if the NTSB timeline is believed there was SUPPOSED to be one person dead from that plane crash, and that outcome was reported before anybody was sure that had really happened.
If the NTSB timeline is not believed, then a reasonable person has to ask why they are claiming a false timeline.
Looking at the timeline, the crash was reported in the news 40 minutes after the plane went down. The plane floated 25 minutes before sinking but Kawasaki says the water was waist-high the first he knew. He gave his life jacket to one of the other passengers so the passengers were getting out of the plane probably 15 minutes after the plane went down - leaving 25 minutes until the plane’s downing was reported in the news (which is do-able) and 40 minutes until one casualty was reported . Kawasaki was treading water when he saw a plane go overhead - presumably the plane that put smoke alerts to show the location of the crash - and figured it would be about a half-hour before rescue crews got there.
But could Fuddy have died, drifted 200 yards from the others, been passed over by the first rescuer as unresponsive, been found by the 2nd rescuer, determined to be not breathing, lifted to the helicopter and had CPR performed on her (at least I’m pretty sure one report said they did CPR on her), ruled to be dead, and had that reported to the press within a 40-minute time period? Obviously not if the rescue crews didn’t arrive for another 65 minutes, as claimed by NTSB. But even if it took ZERO time for the crews to get there, could all that have happened within 40 minutes? How long does it take to lift somebody into a helicopter? How does information get relayed from an emergency vehicle to the news media?
Seems to me there’s a good chance that the NTSB timeline is fudged AND one casualty was reported before anybody could have known it had really happened.
Somebody convince me why either or both things must not be true. The news reports themselves prove that the NTSB timeline is wrong. But do the news reports prove that the death was reported before it could legitimately have been known?