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To: butterdezillion

According to the article

“According to Lang and Thomson, about 15 minutes before the first rescue crew arrived the aircraft completely submerged and sank. “

If the plane floated for 25 minutes and the rescue crew arrived 15 minutes after it sank wouldn’t that mean about 35 to 45 minutes after the crash the first rescue crews arrived?

Is that the crew that put the rescue swimmer in the water?


142 posted on 01/04/2014 6:34:37 PM PST by 4Zoltan
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To: 4Zoltan

As you can see, the claims don’t match up. Nothing matches up. Number of people transported, by whom, and to where. Times that things happened. Where people were found. Ages, what kind of injuries. None of the stories add up.

It seems like Lang refers to the Navy helicopter as a rescue crew. Maybe he left before he saw that they just put down the smoke flares? I don’t know. Maybe the sinking of the plane was timed from when Lang got back and watched, after going to the Molokai Airport and finding nobody there who could help?

It doesn’t make sense. And that’s why we want answers.

It seems like the Maui Fire Department was said to pick up 5 people alive from the water, but the articles refer to those 5 people being taken to the Molokai Medical Center in the Coast Guard PLANE (as opposed to the Coast Guard helicopters which took the more injured people to Honolulu). So it almost seems like Maui Fire Department personnel did some of the water rescue but rescued those victims to either the Coast Guard boat that was there, or to the Coast Guard plane. But other reports claim that everybody was taken to Kalaupapa. So again, discrepancies in the reporting.

I’ve been trying to check out the lay of the Maui County government. Both my laptop and my desktop are rebelling; don’t seem to want me looking into this stuff. I hadn’t realized that Molokai is part of Maui County. The Maui County Fire and Public Safety Department has 3 fire stations on Molokai. So when they talk about the Molokai Fire Department spokespeople, they are probably talking about the people who did the rescue - and they could be from Maui or they could be right there on Molokai.

As far as I can tell - from the absence of a Maui County Coroner’s Office and from a search for “coroner” on the Maui County Police Department’s webpage (see http://www.co.maui.hi.us/Search/Results?searchPhrase=coroner&page=1&perPage=10 ) - there is no Maui County Coroner. The Police Chief is considered the county’s coroner. The actual medical examinations are done at the Maui County Medical Center, which is where they took Fuddy. The NTSB was responsible to get with the county authorities to make sure that an autopsy would be conducted. That would be the Maui County Police Chief.

Keeping that in mind, process what was said at http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-hawaii-plane-crash-20131213,0,5454578,full.story#axzz2nsCKQtDa :

“On Thursday, Lt. William Juan with the Maui Police Department said that Fuddy’s body had been recovered from the wreckage and that an autopsy would be conducted.”

According to http://www.co.maui.hi.us/ArchiveCenter/ViewFile/Item/17923 , “Lieutenant William Juan was assigned to Community Relations”.

IOW, you’ve got the spokesman for the Maui County police chief - the “coroner in charge” of the autopsy - publicly claiming the day after the incident that the body they are investigating had been recovered from the wreckage. That’s a pretty serious discrepancy, given by the person who is legally REQUIRED to know what was going on - who was supposed to collect the basic information directly from the rescue crew.


145 posted on 01/04/2014 7:30:37 PM PST by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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