Posted on 01/01/2014 8:51:34 AM PST by Drew68
The last hope for Jahi McMath to be kept on a ventilator may come from a former Long Island hairdresser who runs a brain-injury treatment center dedicated to Terri Schiavo, the Florida woman whose case sparked a fierce nationwide end-of-life debate.
(Excerpt) Read more at contracostatimes.com ...
Terry was in a persistent vegetative state. This poor child has been prounounced deceased. The parents should shut of the ventilator and let her loose.
Freegards
LEX
It is an organism shaped like a previous person
Being kept alive by the unnecessary efforts of many
I've seen this all too many times...
I’m not sure this passes the smell test...
I agree.
I'm curious where the funding for her care will come from. I'm pretty sure medicaid does not pay for the care of dead people.
The local news here said a pediatrician said that she was responsive and the family says she responds to their voices. Now I don’t know about the credibility of the family but a pediatrician is an MD and should know what they’re talking about.
I feel for the family, they must think that as long as she has a pulse and they see her chest rise and fall, she’s still alive.
I’m holding out hope for a miracle.
Is the hospital wanting her organs?
I belong to the school of thought that the family is torturing a corpse. Brain dead is brain dead. Prayers for all involved.
Dr. Paul A. Byrne, neonatologist, pediatrician, President Life Guardian Foundation, has not actually examined McMath.
Venturing into landmine territory ..... what is going on here is not for Jahi, but for her shell-shocked, grief stricken family whose child had what has become a fairly common, routine procedure that went terribly wrong. They have not and cannot come to grips with it ..... yet. How they eventually do this remains to be seen ... right now, they are desperate not to accept what has happened.
From personal experience over the last couple of years and an ongoing situation, I have come to recognize the significant difference between “quantity” of life and “quality” of life. My personal belief is that, at some point (each defines his own ‘point’), you let nature take its course ..... no one escapes death. For those who have no faith and for whom death is a bottomless black pit, this is terribly hard. For those with faith, who believe our loved one is going to heaven to forever be in the presence of God’s love, we struggle with our human emotions and not wanting to lose the earthly presence, but we are ultimately at peace with the assurance we are not forever parted from our loved one. I pray for Jahi’s parents to find peace.
Generally, and in my experience...
One of the examining MD’s should be
a Neurologist or Neurosurgeon as they have an elevated awareness of how to assess CNS function in the presence of mechanical supports.
1) No evidence of drug induced coma, hypothermia, or other reversable cause of coma.
2) No evidence of Cortical, Sub-cortical, or Brain stem activity by expert exam.
3) No spontaneous respiratory activity, in the absence of metabolic parameters that inhibit Brain stem activity.
Jahi McMath’s parents carry on this way because they are looney plus they want maximum publicity exposure for a lawsuit down the road. This hospital is scared as heck at being called racist.
The hospital seems blameless to me. It was a simple operation that went wrong. This happens but the family sees a chance to cash in.
3 doctors have said she is brain dead. 2 from the hospital and we can give latitude to those that say they MIGHT have a conflict. The third and INDEPENDENT Dr.Paul Graham Fisher, a pediatric neuro-oncologist at Stanford School of Medicine, backs their assessments.
My understanding is she has been declared by at least 3 MD’s. This pediatician is somebody the family brought in. According to Calif law she is DEAD.
I agree this is either super denial or just the beginning of a huge lawsuit.
Freegards
LEX
This is sufficient...
This is a difficult case without knowing specific medical details it really isn’t possible to make a judgment.
If ( and a big if) as the family says she is making movements of any kind than this is a sign of brain activity. My initial feeling ( as someone who is medically trained) is to agree that she is most likely brain dead and support should be withdrawn. However reports by the family of movement is disturbing especially given reports that it wasn’t necessarily the complication of the surgery that caused her cardiac arrest but an extreme delay in recognizing that a complication ( bleeding) had occurred. This makes the hospital appear less than trustworthy in this case.
I too wonder about the standards for brain death and the qualifications of those making the determination. I remember a few months back a news story about a neurosurgeon who was declared brain dead who did come out of a coma and had quite a lot to say about it.
Terry Schiavo was much different. Her folks and family were very humble and just wanted to take her home to be cared for by them. This girl Jai is dead (in some ways) and her folks never talk about bringing her home. They talk about running up huge bills at some kind of care facility. Bills they will not be paying. I doubt they are paying jack right now....all they do is run their mouths while the hospital is providing care it knows it will never be re-reimbursed for. Hospital keeps it mouth shut for racial reasons
Someone mentioned ice chips only at first...and that's what I remember.
Sucking on a popsicle?? Remember when you had your molars pulled at the dentist...and he said...no sucking...
—she is making movements of any kind
—than this is a sign of brain activity
Not quite true
Spinal cord reflex movements are sometimes preserved
in “Brain Death”
we shall see.
Meanwhile here is a good comment from the UK Daily Mail>>>
Having worked in insurance authorizations I would almost bet the insurance co stopped paying for her care the day she was declared brain dead bc daily updates have to be done. And rightfully so. I usually hate insurance companies like everyone else but their obligation is done as is the hospital’s. The hospital and everyone who in turn goes there after is paying for her. This family has been delusional from the beginning when they claimed all they wanted was a chance at a Christmas miracle to come home. Guess what. We are at Jan 1 2014. Then they said all they wanted was another doctor to look at her and declare not brain dead. That doctor said “Yup. Brain dead”. I called it then that they’d keep on and on. People always think God will give you what you ask. God teaches us lessons and it’s not what we demand. I hope the judge finally ends this. Give the child some peace and dignity. She...is...DEAD. She’s not in a coma. She’s dead. As unfortunate as it is there’s no changing it.
Yes, she was and it is troubling that people have politicized the issue in trying to compare the two. It actually does a disservice to Schaivo's story in that people who weren't really educated about Schaivo's condition are now led to believe that she must've been brain dead as well.
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