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The PC absurdity has now morphed into insanity. These libs could care less about the military's warfighting mission...all they care about is treating the Armed Forces like a civilian business, with perks and equality for everybody.
1 posted on 12/28/2013 7:27:24 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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As for combat, well, if we’ve proved anything over the last decade of war, it’s that women can sustain its rigors.

Combat is not the same as the Infantry. Huge difference.

35 posted on 12/28/2013 9:06:05 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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Let ‘em. The way this government is going our military is being groomed to be used against us. I sure as Hell don’t want to be facing hardened men.


36 posted on 12/28/2013 9:07:24 AM PST by CodeToad (When ignorance rules a person's decision they are resorting to superstition.)
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Somebody’s been watching too many reruns of Demi Moore in “G.I. Jane”. I've seen the kind of training that SEALs do and it is intense. the Training takes nearly a year and the attrition rate is about 90%. There are three phases: 1) BUD/S (Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL) training; 2) Underwater Swimmer; 3) Land Warfare.

BUD/S presupposes that entrants are in tip top physical condition. Trainees are pushed to and beyond their limits of physical and mental endurance. Candidates can voluntarily DOR (Drop on Request) at any time by ringing the bell or they can be dropped for lack of progress. Injuries result in setback until healed and the candidate can join another class. The last week before graduation is aptly termed “Hell Week”. Trainees are lucky to get more than four hours’ sleep during this week. Make it through this week and you graduate from Phase 1.

Phase 2 is U/W Swimmer. You do a lot of swimming both in the pool and in the ocean. More people get dropped here; either DOR or for lack of progress.

Phase 3 is Land Warfare held at San Clemente Island. Exercises are done with live fire after multiple dry runs. Screw up here and you'll be dropped, but there are few DORs and some admin drops.

Bottom line: for a class of 100 prime physical specimens, only 10 or less will make it through to the end of Phase 3. Even then, the newly graduated SEAL still has to prove himself on an operational team deployment. While on deployment with his team, the new member is still probationary and he can be dropped from SEAL Team if his team mates feel he is not up to the job.

43 posted on 12/28/2013 10:12:39 AM PST by MasterGunner01
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I'm a retired ARMY Ranger and to be totally truthful about it I have strong doubts that I could have ever make it through SEAL training. There are not women in the Rangers because of the physical training requirements and now they think they can push them on up the ladder and make SEALS out of them. Unless they significantly lower the physical requirements it will never happen.

Here is another truth, in combat your team is only as strong as your weakest member. One weak link in that team brings the whole teams abilities down to that level. Many times in a combat situation it comes down to a few very basic truths. Do you have the physical and mental strength to make something happen or do you lay down and die. Do you accomplish your assigned duties or do you fail and let your friends around you die.

Here are is how it works with training. Combat is all about training and everything you do in training is harder to accomplish in combat. In a combat situation you will do what you have been taught to do in training. You train like you fight and you fight like you train. The absolute truth in this is if a person is unable to do something in training then they will be unable to do it in combat and they and others around them will die.

I am not anti woman and I have no wish to put artificial barriers in the way of a woman's advancement but I know how it is in combat. I am not willing to sacrifice the lives of great soldiers by dropping the standards and training requirements so women can pass just to make a Politically Correct point.

Men and women are different. Men are much better at doing some things and women are much better at doing other things. We are not biologically the same. This is not a case of who is better or worse it is just realizing that we are different and those differences are limiting in some situations.

46 posted on 12/28/2013 10:47:44 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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“As for combat, well, if we’ve proved anything over the last decade of war, it’s that women can sustain its rigors.”

Really? You send a few females on patrol so that you can interrogate Muslim females, and you call that combat? Get a grip. The heavy-duty fighting was well past finished.


47 posted on 12/28/2013 11:11:16 AM PST by Tallguy (between taglines...)
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It’s important to impose good feelings on the simple facts of life. It’s something an overpopulated society of idiots deserve.


56 posted on 12/28/2013 3:34:56 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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