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The PC absurdity has now morphed into insanity. These libs could care less about the military's warfighting mission...all they care about is treating the Armed Forces like a civilian business, with perks and equality for everybody.
1 posted on 12/28/2013 7:27:24 AM PST by Timber Rattler
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To: Timber Rattler

I guess SEALs don’t have to do pull ups.


2 posted on 12/28/2013 7:29:46 AM PST by grobdriver
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Infantry basic is a LONG way from BUDS or Q course. That is out of 100 men who apply, only about 3 actually make it.


3 posted on 12/28/2013 7:35:40 AM PST by taxcontrol
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feh...
4 posted on 12/28/2013 7:36:02 AM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -vvv- NO Pity for the LAZY - 86-44)
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There is no reasonable case to be made. I first heard of this stupidity back in the 1980s—they have been working on it for decades. One female Seal means one qualified male that is being excluded. THE BELL CURVE CANNOT BE FUDGED.


6 posted on 12/28/2013 7:41:49 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Timber Rattler; Revolting cat!; GeronL

Maybe they can start with tranny SEALS. That way you still have men doing the task but you get to check off two identity politicks groups with one pen stroke.


7 posted on 12/28/2013 7:44:54 AM PST by a fool in paradise ("Health care is too important to be left to the government.")
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Elliott Ackerman starts off his article in typical “Liberal” fashion. Namely, a lie. He states that over the past decade women have proved they can sustain the rigors of combat. The fact is NOTHING has been PROVEN.

What is really going on, I believe, is that certain officers, worried about what Obama’s thugs might do to their career, are pushing the non sense that women have “proven” they can endure ALL combat requirements like young men so that they can look good to Obama et al and not get put on an early retirement list.

I have read many unbiased articles that are completely contrary to Mr. Ackerman’s fantasies. For those that will write and demand I produce them, it’s called Google. Help yourself.


8 posted on 12/28/2013 7:48:11 AM PST by Cen-Tejas (it's the debt bomb stupid!)
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What a grand plan.

If you have something that works (SpecOps), keep F*&%ing with it until it doesn’t.


9 posted on 12/28/2013 7:55:10 AM PST by AbnSarge
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To: Timber Rattler

this article is not “PC nonsense”

it is an out and out LIE- to destroy our military-

That is the stated goal of the communists currently
occupying the senate and white house.


10 posted on 12/28/2013 7:55:17 AM PST by mj1234
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"The PC absurdity has now morphed into insanity."

By lowering the standards for women in combat training for purely sexist reasons, the Secretary of Navy and the Marine Commandant have given aid and comfort to the enemy.

13 posted on 12/28/2013 8:03:34 AM PST by Carl Vehse
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My solution, in the same vane as the article:

put in the requirement for male seals to mate with female seals and the little ‘seal pups’ will be required to go into the navy at age 18 and become seals. thus we create a replacement system for the seals, but with a long gap between ‘procurement order’ and enlistment.


14 posted on 12/28/2013 8:05:21 AM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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A bad idea, IMHO. I recognize there are many women who serve or have served in the armed forces with honor, and I am thankful for each of them and their sacrifices. But with the SEALs, we’re talking about a program so grueling, so physically demanding, that only a tiny percentage of male candidates are able to complete even the initial phases of it (I know I sure couldn’t). Most women are not as physically strong as most men. The likelihood of a female candidate having the strength and endurance to complete things even the publicly known training exercises like Surf Torture, Drown Proofing, and whatever you call the log carrying exercises seems awfully remote.

Now, I’ll admit such women could exist. (I’m sure there are some lady FReepers out there that could whoop my butt, LOL). But the likelihood is, most won’t and there will be pressure to lessen the standards from Congress. I can only see that as disastrous for a group that is routinely called on to do the impossible, and is expected to act as the ultimate team.


16 posted on 12/28/2013 8:10:54 AM PST by DemforBush (Ice cream, Mandrake? Children's ice cream?)
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As for combat, well, if we’ve proved anything over the last decade of war, it’s that women can sustain its rigors.

I'd like to know how we've proven this. Beyond brash assertions by cocktail sipping beltway feminists I know of nothing that qualifies as an assessment of females in sustained combat operations. The reason for this is simple: At no time during the past 10 years has the U.S. military been involved in sustained infantry centric combat on the order of World War II, Korea, and Vietnam. Women have performed well in the type of combat experienced in Iraq and in parts of Afghanistan, but they were not infantry soldiers and were not subject to the physical demands of long term infantry combat operations.

Liberal feminists just want another scalp on their belt, they would never volunteer to serve in the military, and even less volunteer to serve in the infantry. They just want to flex their political power in order to intimidate government to provide them with the financial and competitive advantages of being declared a favored group. This also helps to destroy our military, one of the few institutions not yet destroyed by the plague of liberalism.

19 posted on 12/28/2013 8:24:14 AM PST by centurion316
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Kinder, gentler SEALs will work out so well.
20 posted on 12/28/2013 8:25:10 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Government is the greediest, most corrupt, incompetent and murderous force on earth.)
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The 0bama regime is doing everything in its power to get our service men and women killed. From this insanity to the ROE in the 'Stan.

[Sidebar: why doesn't the state controlled media give us a casualty count every day like they did when Bush was in office?]

Oh, and where is Cindy Sheehan, and Media Benjamin these days, huh?

5.56mm

24 posted on 12/28/2013 8:37:25 AM PST by M Kehoe
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The PC absurdity has now morphed into insanity

Although Women do make very effective assassins
It is usually under the cover of a “harmless” exterior

26 posted on 12/28/2013 8:44:09 AM PST by HangnJudge
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Okay. Now that we have “the case”, the next question should be WHY? Are we having problems recruiting MALES for the SEALs these days? Anyone with a brain knows that the standards will have to be lowered in order for the “gay” people in the Pentagon to push the first female through BUDS as the “honor graduate”. It happens all of the time. Males and females are different regardless of what the “progs” like this guy would have us believe. How in the hell did this guy get the Silver Star? Didn’t Hanoi Boi Kerry get a Silver Star also?


27 posted on 12/28/2013 8:48:37 AM PST by FlingWingFlyer (The Truth Is Out There. Just don't let anyone know that you're looking for it.)
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How tough can the advanced training for women Marines be if they don’t have to pass the standard training anymore?


28 posted on 12/28/2013 8:58:01 AM PST by My hearts in London - Everett (You think you know me. You don't.)
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To: Timber Rattler

Its a physical one - even the smallest man is far stronger and weighs more than the tallest woman.

You can’t wave biological realities out of existence and Hollywood movies that show tiny women kicking strong men into unconsciousness is pure fantasy.

And assault weapons are not made to carry easy and and having to slough around 100 pound backpack on a full march takes a lot of endurance.

As well being able to fight in the heat and cold and day and night. When your life is on the line you want to be sure your partner can pull their weight. PC in the military has nothing to do with ability to defend our country but everything to do with ideology and social engineering.

Our enemies aren’t drafting women to fight us. We’re losing sight of what’s important here.


30 posted on 12/28/2013 8:59:14 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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“....easier for a 6-foot tall, 180-pound man.” I’m reminded of Audie Murphy.


31 posted on 12/28/2013 9:02:15 AM PST by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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Yes, it has. The odd part is we’ll be downsizing all branches of the US military in the next few years. Fewer men will be needed. Drones and robots will also do more of the things humans used to be needed to do. In the meantime, the social experiment of making women fill traditionally male roles will get pushed even harder. There are tradeoffs to these types of things, of course.


34 posted on 12/28/2013 9:05:43 AM PST by elhombrelibre
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