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To: billhilly
As a rule you have a choice between two candidates. Of course you know that. One will be a republican and the other a Democrat. The choice is pretty easy. ... To simplify the choice, it doesn’t matter is the Republican was buried the week before, vote for him and work it out later. Forget the silly GOPE crap. No Democrat needs to be in office.

As a general rule, there will be two liberal/socialists on the ticket. One will have a "D" next to his/her/its name, and will conduct a frontal attack on the underlying principles that made this country what it was. The other will have an "R" next to its name, and will play the role of traitor, undermining those same principles at every opportunity. It is a close call as to which is the greater enemy of conservatism, but in general, a traitor does much more damage than an enemy is capable of.

The "silly GOPE crap" to which you refer, is actually the knife's edge on which the fate of this nation balances.
9 posted on 12/26/2013 2:39:08 PM PST by jjsheridan5
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To: jjsheridan5

I propose a simple set of rules for Conservatives for the Senate control.
1. Campaign for and support the most conservative candidate in the Republican primary. Especially those candidates who align with Cruz and Lee.
2. Work hard to defeat Graham because he should be an easy target that will send a message to Rinos. There needs to be at least one Rino defeat every cycle to keep the jerks somewhat honest.
3. Going for all Rinos at once might spread us too thin to get maximum effect. So pick the other targets carefully.
4. Once the Republican candidates have been chosen, throw all your support behind the conservatives aligned with Cruz and Lee. Let the Rinos win on their own.
5. In your state, vote for the Republican candidate no matter how distasteful it might be. An establishment Republican might be controlled by conservative leadership whereas a Dem or Independent cannot be controlled.
6. If we can get a large enough conservative contingent in the Republican majority, perhaps the conservatives can seize the leadership control and keep the Rinos in line. Rinos are by definition rather weak principled so they should fall in line with the leadership to get committee perks etc.

The leadership of the Republican majority in the Senate is the key. If Cruz and Lee can support enough winners in this cycle, they might be able to seize the reins of the Senate away from the GOPe.


14 posted on 12/26/2013 2:58:40 PM PST by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: jjsheridan5

That makes as much sense as cutting off your finger because you have a hangnail.

The majority in both houses control the agenda. You may enjoy some perverse satisfaction that you and you alone are pure in thought and deed, but Harry Reid will still be there.


16 posted on 12/26/2013 3:00:06 PM PST by billhilly (Has Pelosi read it yet?)
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To: jjsheridan5; billhilly
It is a close call as to which is the greater enemy of conservatism, but in general, a traitor does much more damage than an enemy is capable of.

When you make up pronouncements simply for the purpose of using them to buttress your argument, you just end up sounding as ridiculous as any statist Democrat since this is their stock-in-trade.

So, "in general," which did "much more damage" to all the nations that fell before the Assyrian armies, the Egyptian armies, the Babylonian armies, Alexander the Great's army, the Roman army, the Continental Army, Napoleon's army, as well as to the Confederacy, to Kaiser Wilhelm's Germany, to Hitler's Germany, to Mussolini's Italy, to Hirohito's Japan, to Gorbachev's Soviet Union, to Saddam's Iraq, to the Taliban's Afghanistan, to name a few, traitors in their midst or the enemy?

The other will have an "R" next to its name, and will play the role of traitor, undermining those same principles at every opportunity.

Most Democrats, especially the incumbent Democrats, are statists. Not all Republicans, especially those running for office in the primaries, are statists. It's the difference that makes the difference, something you and others are apparently unable to see.

As I said before the last two elections in different forms and at different times to some who were bloviating about starting a "conservative" third party to run against Obama and almost salaciously eschewing "the lesser of two evils" concept to champion the "greatest of all losers" approach:
1. The moral relativism of the “lesser of two evils” philosophy has been draining the heart and soul of America for decades.

So begins an intellectually vacuous screed with a simple misstatement of fact. "Lesser of two evils" is not and has never been an example of moral relativism. You may as well say that any mention of "the greater good" is also moral relativism. That would be an equivalently whacked-out judgement. An example of moral relativism is this:
The Muslims don't eat pork, this other group doesn't eat human flesh. Each system has its own proscriptions that are valid within their systems but have no reference to any overarching moral order because there is none. One may or may not eat pork or long pork as one wishes. Its degree of evil is relative only to the system in which it is found. Do your own thing, baby.


2. "Don’t Get Suckered into Supporting the Republican Party" is exactly what folks like George Soros are saying. You can bet some of the biggest supporters (probably even financially if you could dig deep enough) of conservative third parties are liberal Democrats and other leftists who have taken over the Democrat Party and are busily working to take over the Republican Party. They know that dividing the vote amongst a variety of "Hey, I'm more conservative than you cause I didn't vote for any Republican" nitwits is one their most effective ways to destroy their opposition and to solidify a political hegemony.

Over the past thirty years they have taken control of one of the two largest political parties in a country where winner takes all in elections and are busily working to fracture the only opposition they have by encouraging conservatives to leave the Republican Party in the hands of RINOS rather than working to take over the party apparatus as they, the Leftists, have taken over the Democrat Party. For those who say, "Well, I'm a proud member of the Constitution Party or the Declaration Party or the Conservative Party or the Southern Principled Conservative Party of Holy Ghost Fire on the Mountain Pre-Rapture Remnant of the Real Thing Party and someday we'll be big enough to replace the Republican Party, just like the Temperance Party or the Bull Moose Party did":

Doofuses: we don't live in a parliamentary system where representation is divided proportionally between the losers!

It's winner take all, baby, and the sooner you realize that and stop wasting time fighting like cats and Baptists to multiply the number of me-so-conservative parties the sooner you'll have turned back the liberal encroachment on the existing main opposition party to their main vehicle for political power, the Democrat Party, instead of complimenting yourself on just how wonderfully more conservative your loser party is going to be than the one you deliberately abandoned to leftist takeover.
"Hey, I don't like these liberal bumper stickers on this fully functioning vehicle or the places its driver is taking us, right? So, I've got, like, this great plan to deal with that, 'kay? Instead of tossing the driver out on his butt and getting some more appropriate body detailing and then driving it wherever we want to go, we're going to get out at the next corner, wag our fingers really hard at the driver as he speeds off, and then from scratch build our own new most perfectly conservative vehicle and, someday, maybe, enter that into the race! And won't that glorious day be, oh, so grand?"
And you think Jesus, or anyone other than a utopian statist, is going to say, "Well done, good and faithful servant for refusing to take back the existing opposition party and, instead, throwing your vote to something that couldn't possibly defeat a known enemy because you thought being considered a more nearly "true" conservative party than any other was more important than actually conserving and preserving the Republic against an ongoing enemy onslaught"?

Dream on.
We face far great danger from idiots than from traitors.
26 posted on 12/26/2013 3:55:25 PM PST by aruanan
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