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Is Poverty Really The Result Of Bad Luck?
Forbes ^ | 12/03/2013 | John Goodman

Posted on 12/26/2013 6:46:14 AM PST by SeekAndFind

On Thanksgiving eve, a Nicholas Kristof editorial instructed us on how to think about poverty in The New York Times. The main reason there is poverty, he tells us, is bad luck.

We don’t choose our parents, after all. Or the household or neighborhood we are born into. Here are a few of his observations, with my emphasis added:

“As Warren Buffett puts it, our life outcomes often depend on the ‘ovarian lottery.

[T]he difference between being surrounded by a loving family or being homeless on the street is determined not just by our own level of virtue or self-discipline, but also by an inextricable mix of luck, biography, brain chemistry and genetics.

[S]uccess in life is a reflection not only of enterprise and willpower, but also of random chance and early upbringing.”

So what’s the solution to this problem? It is apparently very simple: All we need is love. (Kristof’s column is actually titled “Where Is the Love?”) And just in case you are not motivated in that way, Kristof draws on the work of Harvard professor John Rawls to give a rational philosophical reason to spend more on welfare programs.

But before getting into that let’s pause for a moment. Is being born really a matter of luck? Doesn’t that take willful activity on the part of two parents? And is the inability of parents to support their children really a matter of luck? Or is it the result of bad habits and undisciplined behavior?

Let’s grant that some people do have bad luck. But bad luck usually strikes randomly. Absent hurricanes and tornados, we don’t expect misfortune to befall entire neighborhoods ― to say nothing of entire cities.

Kristof’s particular focus is on Food Stamps, given the debate in Congress over whether to cut spending on the program. So let’s concede that misfortune can cause some people to be hungry.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: badluck; poverty
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To: SeekAndFind

Does anyone want to wager that IQ scores have no effect on income levels?


41 posted on 12/26/2013 7:57:43 AM PST by monocle
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To: SeekAndFind
Some people like to gamble,
But you, you always lose.
Some people like to rock 'n' roll,
You're always singin' the blues
You gotta nasty disposition,
No one really knows the reason why,
You gotta bad, bad reputation,
Gonna hang your head down and cry...


You got bad, bad luck
Bad, bad luck
You got bad, bad luck
Bad, bad luck
Thirteen's my lucky number,
To you it means stay inside.
Black cat done crossed my path,
No reason to run and hide.
You're looking through a cracked mirror,
No one really knows the reason why.
Your enemies are gettin' nearer,
Gonna hang down your head and cry...


You got bad, bad luck
Bad, bad luck
You got bad, bad luck
Bad, bad luck
Some people go to church on Sundays,
others they pray at home.
You tell them that there ain't no God,
that they're better off standin' alone.
You're always scratchin' at the eight ball,
No one really knows the reason why.
You get to the top and then you fall,
Gonna hang down your head and cry.

Social Distortion - Bad Luck

42 posted on 12/26/2013 8:05:17 AM PST by machman
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To: SeekAndFind
If you want to be poor, do what poor people do.

If you want to be rich, do what rich people do.

I have come to the conclusion that persistence is more important than intelligence.

43 posted on 12/26/2013 8:27:33 AM PST by super7man
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To: SeekAndFind

Success is often obtained by playing a poor hand well.


44 posted on 12/26/2013 8:32:20 AM PST by SamAdams76
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To: super7man

RE: If you want to be rich, do what rich people do.

How does one do what George Soros does?


45 posted on 12/26/2013 8:39:04 AM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Fwiw, my Dad always said ‘seems the harder I worked, the luckier I got’.


46 posted on 12/26/2013 8:48:16 AM PST by AllAmericanGirl44 (Wishing all a very Merry Christmas)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s not just nature, nurture, or luck. People have free will. Their personal choices also determine their destiny.


47 posted on 12/26/2013 8:48:59 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: SeekAndFind

Prov 23:17, Psalm 73:3

Don’t envy the prosperity of the wicked or desire to be like them.


48 posted on 12/26/2013 8:58:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s called LBJs “Great Society”. Making generations of people dependant on Government. Giving them the “it’s ok, the government will take care of you” mentality.


49 posted on 12/26/2013 9:01:54 AM PST by crazydad (Obamamohamed is a traitor)
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To: SeekAndFind

My father often said that you don’t have a choice of the cards you get dealt in life, but you get to play them any way you want.


50 posted on 12/26/2013 9:02:33 AM PST by jim_trent
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To: SeekAndFind
There is luck, and then there is The Bell Curve. The former can be talked and written about, not the latter.
51 posted on 12/26/2013 9:05:50 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Damn ObamaCare, full speed ahead!)
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To: Dead Corpse

The ability to learn from the mistakes of others would be pretty handy in climbing out of poverty, as well as learning from one’s own blunders.


52 posted on 12/26/2013 9:10:02 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: alloysteel
Poverty, like wealth, is passed down from one generation to the next. But not because of circumstances.

The chief cause of poverty is poor people having children.
Two poor people have 5 children that results in seven poor people.
So if you don't like being poor don't blame rich people; take it up with your parents.-Tom

53 posted on 12/26/2013 9:20:30 AM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: monocle
I've posed the same question on this forum. There are people on this forum who refuse to believe IQ has anything to do with success as if people with IQs in the 70-75 range have any kind of a future other than very basic, hard, sweaty jobs.

Likewise, I doubt you're going to find many nuclear physicists or heads of international corporations with IQs less than 125. But the myth that with simply hard work you can be anything you desire has been propagated by people who should know better. The truth is every human has capabilities limited by what's inside their cranium.

54 posted on 12/26/2013 9:44:00 AM PST by driftless2
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To: Smokin' Joe

I know this may come as a shock, but I’ve made a few mistakes in my past. :-)

I’d like to think I’ve learned some valuable lessons from them.


55 posted on 12/26/2013 9:45:05 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: monocle

“Does anyone want to wager that IQ scores have no effect on income levels?”

It is well documented that IQ have a lot to do with income.

Read “The Bell Curve” by Charles Murray.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_Curve


56 posted on 12/26/2013 10:05:04 AM PST by truth_seeker (Nissan)
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To: Dead Corpse

Me, too. But the best bang for the buck was learning from mistakes other people made. That saved me a lot of pain.


57 posted on 12/26/2013 10:19:25 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SeekAndFind

i retired at 56 not super rich, but more than comfortable.
i made 20,000 really bad financial mistakes, and 20 good ones.
The poor almost always are poor because of poor choices.
(though it is amazing how much the government helps them make poor choices.)


58 posted on 12/26/2013 10:37:37 AM PST by genghis
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To: DoodleDawg
Isn't it best to ask St. Julia Billiart, patron saint against poverty?

9 As he walked along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2 His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” 3 Jesus answered, “Neither this man nor his parents sinned; he was born blind so that God’s works might be revealed in him. John 9:1-3
59 posted on 12/26/2013 11:26:38 AM PST by thetallguy24
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

You don’t want to be poor? This is whaat you can do to keep from being poor (80% effective).
1. Finish School—go as far as you can after High School Even a single year of Jr. College will help
2. Don’t have a baby until your married.
3. Don’t get married til your 21.
4. Don’t get addicted to stuff: Drugs, Booze, Gambling, Sex, etc...
5. Don’t look to others to solve your problems—Not your friends, not your folks, not your Government— solve them yourself.
6. Don’t do welfare—if your on it—do what you can to get off of it—it kills your ambition and pride.
7. Don’t let envy invade your soul—life aint fair! It never has been and never will be.


60 posted on 12/26/2013 12:17:37 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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