Posted on 12/24/2013 4:27:25 PM PST by Libloather
The Affordable Care Act was designed to dramatically increase the number of Americans who qualify for Medicaid. In fact, the ACA will literally FORCE many low income seniors onto Medicaid rolls as subsidies for regular ObamaCare plans are NOT available to those over 55 years of age who earn less than 138% of the federal poverty level ($15,856 for individuals; $21,403 for married couples). And without such subsidies, ObamaCare plans are generally far too expensive for older, low-income individuals or couples.
Why should any of this matter to those getting “free” healthcare via Medicaid?
Because: “If you’re 55 or over, Medicaid can come back after you’re dead and bill your estate for ordinary health-care expenses.”
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How can a state repeal a federal law?
“The elimination of inherited wealth is a plank of communism.”
I think that is what really is going on here. It sounds conservative to say, let the estate reimburse medical expenses. But Obamacare is deliberately driving up costs for medical care - with rules to make it impossible for an elderly person to efficiently manage their medical expenses. If you are one of the elite socialists, you absolutely love it that when poor and middle class people die, their estates become government property.
You are correct, it's up to the individual states and I've read that most states do as you've described (only for long term nursing home type care) but that detracts from a perfectly good rant doesn't it.
“The elimination of inherited wealth is a plank of communism.”
I think that is what really is going on here. It sounds conservative to say, let the estate reimburse medical expenses. But Obamacare is deliberately driving up costs for medical care - with rules to make it impossible for an elderly person to efficiently manage their medical expenses. If you are one of the elite socialists, you absolutely love it that when poor and middle class people die, their estates become government property.”
It’s much more than that. It’s everything. No more ownership “Extortion-Care is the Government Work-Camp: Arbeitsziehungslager”, for those still alive. Hence the astronomically high proportional deducibles for those still working, and monthly costs for those in their WORK/LABOR CAMP. Whnen was the last time you saw a vehicle advertised other than by %down/lease. Never fronted at actual cost anymore.
Next up we forsee, even if totally out of the Extortion-ProtectionCare Racket scam, checkmark the 1040 boxes, and they automatically use the information to Medicaid. This is what is not being warned about!
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Please explain this? I have been following this for a while. and do not understand this piece you are talking about.
Medicaid denies payments to those with financial assets.
No, if you are in the hospital without insurance, the hospital signs you up for Medicaid and Medicaid pays your bill and seizes your property. The seizure is up to leaving you with 1500 and a car in some states.
What is wrong is not the deal, but the way it is sold. People sign up thinking that this is minimal government healthcare and are then guilt tripped by hospitals and doctors into requesting services without knowing the full financial implications.
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People think that they are insured when they are being fleeced.
“The government has long been permitted to seek reimbursement for healthcare services by attaching the assets of deceased Medicaid enrollees” but I am skeptical about this without more details.
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Our state has long time attached the houses and bank accounts of the elderly. Been here 40 years.... at least for the past 25 or 30.
Fine and dandy except...the entire Obamacare Act was set up to transfer wealth, much of if from these folks who contributed to ss and medicare all there working life, and who are now being forced off of medicare and onto medicaid.
Don’t bet on it, I know some people who are land poor.
They own land they can hardly pay the taxes on and do not want to sell it off to pay taxes.
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It is usually in farm or tree growth and it is not really worth selling since one has to pay all the back taxes when one sells it.
This still makes it easy to foot your medical bills to the state.
Say you ran up a few hundred K in medical+ nursing home bills, you can still sign a check giving your money away before death and the taxpayers are out of luck.
Obamacare removes the asset test tor Medicaid.
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for how long? The rules are still out there. Just like the bill for unlawful detention changing these rules are procedural issues once this sucker floats.
They’ve “synergized” communication-information HHS-IRS (among with other fed agencies). We forsee those opting out (paying the Robert’s tax) red flagged, and placed in the Medicaid asset seizure in the future, or if over the income threshold harrassed into a plan.
Say you ran up a few hundred K in medical+ nursing home bills, you can still sign a check giving your money away before death and the taxpayers are out of luck.
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uh-uh. In our state they used to go back three years and now go back 7 years I think. The attorney says that I am to expect at least a 10 year look back in estate planning.
No not really.
You still get docked for expenses by Medicare going out 5 years before your death. The people who you gave money to would be responsible for the bill.
That was for eligibility, which they got rid off.
It made sense in that context.
After he/she dies and the money is gone the state cant sue the kids for the parents nursing home costs. There is no legal way to do that.
One other note. Property law, which is (and now is attempting to be destroyed)has at it’s foundation INTRUSION law. This is actually the defense (Intrusion law) that they’re attempting to override and undermine as the basis of the takeover. Even harrassment of the Health Care Power of Attorney.
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