[mad_as_he$$]

Let’s see. Stg/AK:

Top gas tube - check.
Pistol grip - check.
Detachable mag - check.

Garand:

Top gas tube - No.
Pistol grip - No.
Detachable mag - No.

Sorry no sale. the AK’s basic design was ripped off with German help.

http://transsylvaniaphoenix.blogspot.com/2009/02/michail-kalashnikov-admits-german-help.html

[Tailback]

So what you’re saying is that no firearm before the Stg-44 had a detachable magazine, or a pistol grip, or a gas tube above the barrel?

By your logic then, the M-16 is a copy of the AK-47.

Top gas tube - check
Pistol grip - check
Detachable mag -check

The fact that the M-16 is direct impingement and has a rotating bolt mean nothing apparently.

Look at the way the AK bolt locks to the front trunnion. Compare that to the way the M1 Garand bolt locks. I have one of each right here in my den. Well actually a Polish PMKMS but the same thing.

And yes, I was aware that Schmeisser assisted Kalashnikov after WWII. It doesn’t change the fact that the AK-47 is NOT a copy of the Stg-44. Externally they look similar, but the mechanics inside are totally different.

[Spktyr]

The AK has the StG44 gas system, but the trigger mechanism is lifted from the Garand along with the bolt. The safety mechanism is off the Remington Model 8. Bolt carrier comparison:

[cunning_fish]

>>>Sorry no sale. the AK’s basic design was ripped off with German help.<<<

Check out AVS-36, SVT-38 and 40.

All are earlier Soviet designs predating STG. A number were captured by the Germans earlier in a War and were put into service being Germany’s first automatic rifles.