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Sons of Divorce, School Shooters
National Review Online ^ | December 16, 2013 | W. Bradford Wilcox

Posted on 12/17/2013 6:50:50 AM PST by neverdem

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To: amihow

You obviously know nothing about family courts, the current legal environment or how badly both are stacked against men. The majority of divorces are initiated by women, and where the woman has a four-year (or higher) degree, the odds are overwhelming that the divorce happens at her initiation.

I now tell young men to never, ever get married. Ever. The cows are given’ milk and cream for free, so why bother putting your head in a legal noose to get it? It is far more financially secure to remain single for a man today.


61 posted on 12/17/2013 10:15:07 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Jewbacca

Sounds like you and I have run into very similar people.

With DNA testing becoming cheaper, it is becoming quite clear how many women have been sleeping around and sticking their husbands with the bills for children that the husband didn’t father.

Women should ready themselves for the consequences that are coming their way.


62 posted on 12/17/2013 10:24:14 AM PST by NVDave
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To: Carry_Okie

Thank you.


63 posted on 12/17/2013 11:00:52 AM PST by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Obadiah; cripplecreek
It is time to start defending our children and putting the smack down on these leftists who are stealing our children and our culture.

I have said this before; Conservatives need to get on school boards and make their voices heard. We have left this up to the left and they have had almost 2 generations to make all the changes with little if any input from Conservatives.

64 posted on 12/17/2013 11:50:12 AM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude
There are several problems with this analysis. First, school shooters are a fairly recent development whereas absent fathers have been around a long time. Second, if absent fathers were the problem, I would think the majority of shooters would be black since they have very high rates of fatherlessness.

What about the number of "Juvenile shooters" in general? If you have a group of individuals that is prone to a bad behavior then is seems that hey would engage in that behavior where they are frequently. If Blacks are dropping out of schools at a higher rate they might engage in the shooting in their neighborhood.

I think we need to compare apples to apples. I worked in an urban Juvenile detention facility for a while and I can only recall one white prisoner in for a shooting. ALL of these kids came from single parent homes.

65 posted on 12/17/2013 12:01:35 PM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: Bainbridge
This is not a popular idea. Even some conservatives use the asinine phrase, “ quality time”. No such thing.

I recall Ray Guarendi giving a talk one time. He said that he asked his oldest child which she preferred; Quality time or quantity. Her reply: "I want Quality time and lots of it."

66 posted on 12/17/2013 12:07:15 PM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: verga

“What about the number of “Juvenile shooters” in general? If you have a group of individuals that is prone to a bad behavior then is seems that hey would engage in that behavior where they are frequently. If Blacks are dropping out of schools at a higher rate they might engage in the shooting in their neighborhood. I think we need to compare apples to apples. I worked in an urban Juvenile detention facility for a while and I can only recall one white prisoner in for a shooting. ALL of these kids came from single parent homes.”

I think we are talking about 2 different things. I am mainly referring to active shooter types of attacks in schools, malls etc where the shooter generally doesnt know his victims. The goal is to kill as many random people as possible with no apparent motive. I see this as very different from revenge shootings, turf wars, drug deals gone bad, fights over girls and gang related stuff. The former is mostly committed by white males, the latter by black males. Both black and white kids go to school, and arguably black kids have tougher time in them than whites do, but very rarely do we see black kids go on a columbine type rampage.


67 posted on 12/17/2013 12:21:57 PM PST by Brooklyn Attitude (Things are only going to get worse.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
It would be pretty well arrogant of me to assume that I’m somehow a better Father to my kids simply because they’re divorced.

God help us if we ever exercise judgment, eh?

But the kids do judge. They know that a daddy they see every two or three weekends is not a real father. When they're older, they can even articulate it. When they're younger, they just yell and break stuff--and, on occasion, hurt other people.

68 posted on 12/17/2013 12:32:27 PM PST by madprof98
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To: neverdem
If you haven't read Judith Reismann's Kinsey, Crimes, and Consequences, it is worth the time to gain insight, not only into the sexual revolution, but to understand the willful devolution of our society. That coupled with Rene Wormser's Foundations, Their Power and Influence make for a vertically integrated perspective on the topic.
69 posted on 12/17/2013 1:13:11 PM PST by Carry_Okie (0-Care IS Medicaid; they'll pull a sheet over your head and take everything you own to pay for it.)
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To: Brooklyn Attitude

Okay thank you for clarifying whast you were addressing. Yes there is a difference between the groups.


70 posted on 12/17/2013 1:29:46 PM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: neverdem

Well, in the first instance it was one less person they had to get rid of.


71 posted on 12/17/2013 1:38:01 PM PST by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: TangledUpInBlue

>> parents that are simply divorced.

There’s nothing simple about divorce nor the precursors that attract it.


72 posted on 12/17/2013 1:38:52 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Jewbacca

Thanks for clarifying the stats.


73 posted on 12/17/2013 1:40:32 PM PST by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: neverdem
I understand that the murderer coward Adam Lanza had a father who had little to nothing to do with him....

if only we could get back to men being good Christians..the flow of good fatherhood follows...

but we can't have good Christian men if they have their nose in their playboys, their playbooks, and the porn channel....

so I can't blame one group or another...its all very simple....follow Christian values, or conservative Jewish values, or Mormon values....find a kindred spirit spouse of a different gender and stay married....

74 posted on 12/17/2013 1:48:53 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
maybe you can't say you're a better parent because you're not divorced, but your kids would say it....but most of all, you've given them the gift of stability and security...

I know lots of good people who have a divorce history....their second marriages seem to have hit the mark....like they all of a sudden realized what they really wanted in a marriage....friendship, companionship, and a shared vision, not a drinking buddy....

75 posted on 12/17/2013 1:52:16 PM PST by cherry (.in the time of universal deceit, telling the truth is revolutionary.....)
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To: Obadiah
It is time to start defending our children and putting the smack down on these leftists who are stealing our children and our culture.

No it is well past time, maybe too late.

We have abandoned our Heritage and now we suffer the wrath of abandonment.

76 posted on 12/17/2013 2:01:14 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: TangledUpInBlue
It would be pretty well arrogant of me to assume that I’m somehow a better Father to my kids simply because they’re divorced.

You would be pretty stupid if you didn't. A father lives in the home with the mother, period.

77 posted on 12/17/2013 2:03:04 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: neverdem

Well I disagree.I think the problem is latch key kids.If a parent is home when the child gets home from school they stay out of trouble.Being a parent is a full time job.


78 posted on 12/17/2013 2:17:52 PM PST by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: NVDave
Women should ready themselves for the consequences that are coming their way.

In California it does not matter who fathered a child, the husband is the one obligated to care and feed the cuckold's child, even after divorce.

79 posted on 12/17/2013 2:29:11 PM PST by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: neverdem

Stopping western romanticism from being taught to young men is the first step toward the solution. The West is saturated with it. Religion is saturated with it. They should be taught older wisdom instead. Courting and marriage decisions should be more practical and moral. No-fault divorce and the doctrine of parens patreae should be abolished.


80 posted on 12/17/2013 2:42:08 PM PST by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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