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The hottest electric cars leaver winter drivers out in the cold
The Daily Caller ^ | 12/13/13

Posted on 12/16/2013 12:58:09 PM PST by Impala64ssa

Engineering breakthroughs like the Tesla Model S may be burning up the electric car market (figuratively and literally), but they’re leaving drivers cold and under-powered in the face of Old Man Winter.

Cold temperatures have adverse effects on batteries, slowing down the incoming and outgoing flow of energy and inevitably losing some in the process. The 250-mile average range of an electric car in normal climate conditions can see its performance reduced by 70-miles on a single charge in average winter conditions. The colder it gets, the shorter than range.

Not only that, the average winter driver tends to turn up the heat — a function that also puts a draw on the battery uncommon during other seasons.

The combined effect is a significant reduction in the time between charges, and the miles you can drive comfortably warm before you get there. Drivers also feel a reduction in power, even in the formidable 400-horsepower Model S. As energy flow slows down or is diverted to heating functions, so does your acceleration, and so do you.

But solutions are in the works and some have already been implemented, though they’re imperfect at best. Nissan has taken to installing heaters to warm the battery, while Tesla uses heat runoff from the electric motor to warm the battery along with a regenerative braking system, which transfers energy momentum from stopping into the battery.

Unfortunately battery heaters still need power, and still need to draw it from said battery. Tesla has the best working solution yet, aside from the fact that the electric motor doesn’t generate very much heat, and the large amount of power taken in all at once from regenerative braking can damage the battery if it isn’t warm.

Proper solutions are still years away according to most engineers, and rely on improving battery technology through better conducting materials — materials that, as of now, have a short life expectancy and are slightly unstable.

If drivers can carefully plan their charge times and stops, the problem can largely be avoided. But many may be waiting awhile before charge stations become mainstream, possibly as long as it takes for battery technology to evolve.

For now, Tesla customers have taken to new December forums listed on an MIT Technology Review report with titles like “Winter driving warning” and “Another way to stay toasty on long trips without running heat,” where owners recommend winter motorcycle wear and snowmobile suits.

On the plus side, the winter weather traction is pretty unbeatable.


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KEYWORDS: automotive; enviornmentalism; junkscience
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Where do the tree huggers think the electricity to recharge EV's comes from, unicorn farts? Recharging these glorified golf carts in the winter puts even more of a strain on the grid. Once again, the law of unintended consequences.
1 posted on 12/16/2013 12:58:10 PM PST by Impala64ssa
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Only the stupid rich in California are buying them and it’s warm there.


2 posted on 12/16/2013 1:01:00 PM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Gasoline or diesel engine needed to solve problem


3 posted on 12/16/2013 1:02:34 PM PST by rdcbn
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Glorified golf cart? It's not a Nissan Leaf...


4 posted on 12/16/2013 1:05:01 PM PST by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Impala64ssa
When they burst into flames and the connections get road salt and other winter problems the heat from the fire will warm them.
5 posted on 12/16/2013 1:06:29 PM PST by bikerman (Obama! if his lips are moving he's lying.)
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To: Impala64ssa

Electric cars impractical? Now who woulda thunk it.


6 posted on 12/16/2013 1:08:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Impala64ssa

Don’t go pointing out the obvious! Reality has no place in their minds!


7 posted on 12/16/2013 1:10:16 PM PST by vpintheak (Thankful to be God blessed & chosen!)
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Hey, air conditioning in the summer is even worse!

Idiots!

8 posted on 12/16/2013 1:11:16 PM PST by FroggyTheGremlim ("It is not the color of his skin, ... it is the blackness that fills his soul")
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I saw a report a couple years ago where they drove these cars in “real world” conditions ...

When driving in cold rainy/snowy weather with the heat, lights, wipers, and radio [for weather reports] on - these cars only get something like 35 MPGe [Miles Per Gallon equivalent] ...

When driving in hot weather with the AC and the radio on - MPGe is only in the mid-40s ...


9 posted on 12/16/2013 1:15:30 PM PST by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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“...while Tesla uses heat runoff from the electric motor to warm the battery along with a regenerative braking system,...”

Let's hope this system doesn't leak hot air in summer and overheat the battery...:^)

10 posted on 12/16/2013 1:16:08 PM PST by az_gila
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To: Impala64ssa

What??? People actually drive cars outside of Silicon Valley??

How quaint!!


11 posted on 12/16/2013 1:17:47 PM PST by PGR88
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“winter motorcycle wear and snowmobile suits. “

Oh sure! That’s a solution that only a tree hugger could suggest. And what about defrosters? You can’t be without them! And headlights - it’s gets dark at 4.30!!!!!

So here’s a scenario. December 21, 5 PM. 20 degrees. Snowing. Job is 20 miles from home. Lights on. Heat on. Defroster on. Your car was charged last night. No charge during the day. It’s not even a question of driving home in that situation! That’s putting your life in danger! No way at all is it reasonable.

So you would need two cars. One normal car for the winter and one electric car for the summer. How’s that for the environment?


12 posted on 12/16/2013 1:23:24 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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It takes a special kind of stupid to buy an electric vehicle that requires the driver plug it in some where. If you plug it into a receptacle other than your home or a recharging station, you’re actually stealing electricity that someone else is paying for.

However, none of the Environmental nuts haven't figured out that you have to have a GENERATING PLANT to create the electricity used to recharge the EV’s. Those plants run on either coal (bad), nuclear (worse), or gas (good). No matter what powers the plant, the Environmentalists are 100% opposed to the building of new power plants. So, we are full circle. If one cannot find some place that the EV can be recharge because there are fewer generating plants to produce the electricity, you very expensive Tesla Model S becomes an immobile paperweight.

13 posted on 12/16/2013 1:23:35 PM PST by MasterGunner01
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There’s a reason they don’t test these in Baudette Minnesota.

http://blog.caranddriver.com/how-to-winter-test-an-acura-in-ridiculous-brain-freezing-temperatures/


14 posted on 12/16/2013 1:26:10 PM PST by TurboZamboni (Marx smelled bad & lived with his parents most his life.)
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“heaters to warm the battery”

I’m enjoying this. Where do they think the energy comes from to warm the battery? From the grid or from another battery. Then what warms the other battery?


15 posted on 12/16/2013 1:26:24 PM PST by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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Hey just trail this baby.....

Plenty of juice to keep you going.

16 posted on 12/16/2013 1:31:10 PM PST by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: Impala64ssa
To be fair, burning coal in a power plant recovers more energy than burning gasoline in an engine and coal is cheaper than gasoline.

That said, I'd never trust a pure electric only vehicle.

My preference would be for a turbine powered plug in hybrid that would burn just about anything (moon shine, wood gas, cooking oil), and could also act as an electric power plant in an emergency.

A small agriculture town could grow its own fuel, plug idle cars into the town grid, and dynamically draw power or deliver power as needed.

17 posted on 12/16/2013 1:33:30 PM PST by freerepublicchat
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On the plus side, the winter weather traction is pretty unbeatable.

Because?

18 posted on 12/16/2013 1:35:45 PM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: Impala64ssa

How do you jump start a electric vehicle?


19 posted on 12/16/2013 1:37:24 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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Proper solutions are still years away according to most engineers, and rely on improving battery technology through better conducting materials...

Ya think?!

Of course, the solution a century ago was the internal combustion engine as both the prime mover and energy source for all the supporting systems.

Those engineers thought well!

20 posted on 12/16/2013 1:43:15 PM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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