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To: rodguy911
You just touched on my biggest fear that boner will take up immigration(amnesty)and we will once again snatch defeat while as of right now we have sure victory.

Your fears are well-founded. The GOPe wants an increase in the guest worker programs to meet the demands of their corporate paymasters. They will use amnesty as a bargaining chip to get that done. Boehner, Cantor, Goodlatte, Pete Sessions, McCarthy, Issa, and others are all on-board for immigration reform this session of Congress.

They will pass piecemeal bills on guest workers, border security, a GOP version of the Dream Act, and employer verification. They will be sent to the Senate, which will pair it with the Gang of 8 bill and then go to conference where a bill will emerge that resembles the Gang of 8 bill. This will pass with 25 to 50 GOPs in the House voting for it along with the Dems. It has been the strategy all along.

The GOPe underestimates the impact it will have on the base. They believe conservatives have nowhere else to go. They will be surprised. This could be the issue that takes the GOP down and results in a third party movement. Count me in if they pass comprehensive immigration reform. There is no benefit to having a Rep controlled House or Senate. The GOP is not called the Stupid Party for nothing.

56 posted on 12/15/2013 8:08:44 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar

Looks like the GOP can use a few more cups of Tea. We have their attention and now is the time to defeat them.


61 posted on 12/15/2013 8:14:49 AM PST by bray (Repeal Obamacare)
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To: kabar
......This will pass with 25 to 50 GOPs in the House voting for it along with the Dems. It has been the strategy all along.

I still say lets just kick their ass now and take over the party. If we go third party we still have to kick their ass it will be lot easier from the inside than the outside.

67 posted on 12/15/2013 8:22:32 AM PST by rodguy911 (FreeRepublic:Land of the Free because of the Brave--Sarah Palin our secret weapon)
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To: kabar

I don’t think the Destroy America Act of 2014 will go to a real conference. It will be a fake conference lite like the budget deal. Ryan seems happy to stab poor & middle class America in the back and he will take the lead again would be my guess.


74 posted on 12/15/2013 8:33:53 AM PST by lodi90
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To: kabar
The GOPe underestimates the impact it will have on the base. They believe conservatives have nowhere else to go. They will be surprised. This could be the issue that takes the GOP down and results in a third party movement. Count me in if they pass comprehensive immigration reform. There is no benefit to having a Rep controlled House or Senate. The GOP is not called the Stupid Party for nothing.

I sadly disagree. A third party won't do any better than the current GOPe, and will be just as corruptible.

Face it, we're soooo screwed.

Conservatives are a minority in a minority party, and while I keep hearing people say the United States is a conservative nation, there are way too many stupid people voting on emotion, and the leftists own the media, colleges, schools, and entertainment industries and use them collectively to get tweak the emotions of the stupid to get liberal democrats elected and drum out the vote from their ignorant but pliable underlings.

Meanwhile, thinking coservatives are too busy... Thinking. And then we have the Perfect conservatives who only vote for the Perfect Candidate. Like Diogenes of Siope, looking for an honest man...

There aren't any PERFECT candidates! ONLY what we HAVE. But that is enough for US to lose, and the worst candidate (Obama) WIN! Hey, the bright side! At least no Lefty RINO Mormon is running things!!!!

The whole 2012 election came down to the ground game and get-out-the-vote effort, and we lost on both counts.

I can't see the GOPe, a GOPc (c for conservative) or a third party doing better in national or key statewide elections unless that changes.

The GOPe is intent on political suicide. Throwing Obama a lifeline with immigration reform will ensure that they lose the 2014 midterms and divide the party to such an extent that a third party will emerge. In the meantime, Obama continues with his backdoor amnesty and creating his own immigration reform thru unconstitutional Executive Orders.

Yup. That is exactly what will happen.

95 posted on 12/15/2013 10:47:51 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Joe Wilson was dead on! Expunge his censor or censor Pelosi!)
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To: kabar

Then we need to start a write in to wake them up.....at least until we can get some decent republicans elected.


123 posted on 12/22/2013 11:14:01 AM PST by mtnwmn (Liberalism leads to Socialism)
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