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"Dirty Jobs" Mike Rowe on the High Cost of College
Townhall.com ^ | December 14, 2013 | Mike Shedlock

Posted on 12/14/2013 5:50:08 AM PST by Kaslin

Mike Rowe, host of the Discovery Channel series Dirty Jobs chimes in on the US education system in an interview with Nick Gillespie on Reason.Com.



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Rowe: If we are lending money that ostensibly we don't have to kids who have no hope of making it back in order to train them for jobs that clearly don't exist, I might suggest that we've gone around the bend a little bit.

Gillespie: We are doing everything we can to push every kid to go to a four-year college. What's wrong with that?

Rowe: It's not working. You have a trillion dollars in debt on the student loan side. You have a skills gap, something [interrupted by Gillespie]

Gillespie: What do you mean a skills gap?
Rowe: Right now you have about 3 million jobs in transportation, commerce, trades, that can't be filled.

Gillespie: Anything from carpentry to electricians, plumbers,
Rowe: [interjects] Heating, electric, truck drivers, welders is a big one, jobs that typically parents don't sit down and say to their kids - look if all goes well, this is what you are going to do.

Rowe's advice is summed up in the following clip I took from the video.

Get Ready to Get Dirty



The video is a lengthy 41 minutes but Reason.com provides this synopsis so you can skip to topics that interest you.


Work Smart, Not Hard



The 3:20 mark discusses this higher education ad campaign thrust upon Rowe by Mr. Dunbar, high school guidance counselor

Picking up at the 7:50 mark ...

Gillespie: When did the idea disappear that you should learn a skill that is actually useful or in need?
Rowe: That's a good question for a real social anthropologist. My own opinion is there is a kind of inertia that most parents would agree that it exists. And it's a desire see something better for your kids than you had. The question of course is "what is better?" Is it better, right now today, to have $140,000 in debt but a degree from Georgetown, or is it better to be that kid I described in Butler.

It's an excellent interview, please listen to at least a portion of it.

My Take

  1. At the right price, college may be a good choice, but it's not always a good choice.
  2. Government interference in education has so increased the cost of education, and so many kids are pushed into totally useless degrees, that college is an increasingly poor choice until costs come down.
  3. Points one and two especially hold true for those in programs that qualify a person to do nothing but work as a retail clerk upon graduation.
  4. To help bring down education costs, we need more alternative courses, more two-year trade courses, more online courses, reduced administration costs, and termination of defined benefit pension plans for teachers. Simply put, we need more competition and reduced costs at every point in the system.
  5. The student loan program is an abysmal failure and should be abolished.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: college; dirtyjobs; mikerowe
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1 posted on 12/14/2013 5:50:08 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I have found that one of the problems today is a lack of work ethic among youth. In other words they don’t want to work. They don’t know how to work because their parents spoiled them they expect employers to spoil them.

I was a farm boy, we raised tobacco and we learned to work beside our parents. Today kids lay around and play games and Computers. Most kids don’t even cut the grass outside their homes.

They come in late for work and then they don’t work hard when they get there.

The same goes for Volunteer jobs. Kids today don’t volunteer .


2 posted on 12/14/2013 5:58:01 AM PST by Venturer (Half Staff the Flag of the US for Terrorists.)
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To: Kaslin
Rowe nails it. How many times have kids heard their fathers working in the factories to go to college so you don't have to do what I'm doing?

That mentality has completely killed the work ethic.

BTW, Mike Rowe hosts another show called "How Booze Built America." It's very interesting.

3 posted on 12/14/2013 5:58:45 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Kaslin

If the republicans were smart they would get this guy to run for office. Everything he is saying about education is 100% correct. However, the republicans aren’t that smart. So, they will keep nominating mushy, corrupt, or inept people like to Mitch McConnell, John Boehner, and Paul Ryan.


4 posted on 12/14/2013 5:59:32 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: 3Fingas

Actually, Rowe shouldn’t run for office. He’d be a great spokesperson for a campaign.


5 posted on 12/14/2013 6:02:42 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Kaslin

mike Rowe makes a lot of sense. I really love that guy!


6 posted on 12/14/2013 6:03:26 AM PST by mom4kittys (See you in another life, brotha)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

He’s likeable and down to earth. People would vote for him. We need more people like him.


7 posted on 12/14/2013 6:05:50 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: Kaslin

The guy who draws Dilbert also says not to follow your passion. I now follow Jesus. When I was younger I just followed my nose.


8 posted on 12/14/2013 6:08:12 AM PST by Mercat
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To: 3Fingas

Sorry, I still disagree. He’s too good for D.C. The best way to use him would be as a spokesperson. He can reach out to the sheeple.


9 posted on 12/14/2013 6:08:18 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (Governor Sarah Heath Palin for President of the United States in 2016)
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To: Kaslin
I'm an upper, mid-level, manager in a steel mill. I have 102 hourly employees who work as mechanics, electricians and electronics techs. The average age of my crews... 53 years. I can't keep young bloods in this place. They come in here and last about 3 - 6 months and out the door they go. It's too dirty, hot, loud and dangerous they say. Never mind the fact they are making over 65K from the get go. Nope, they choose to quit and go work in a “cleaner” less “intense” environment, like Staples or Office Depot for way less. We're hurting for gear heads and tron-chasers and are willing to pay for them, but too many Mommies and Daddies have insisted their little genius is entitled to a life of White Collar employment and made sure Jr is equipped with a degree in Social Engineering from an on-line “College.” Social Engineering...? WTH is that anyway? So, I'm looking for a Mechanical Maintenance Supervisor. Detroit area. Hit me on the side if you, or anyone else you know, is interested.
10 posted on 12/14/2013 6:09:31 AM PST by Mathews (Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV), Luke 22:36 (NIV))
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Wow.....65K a year and they bitch about getting dirty?
I always prided myself on being BlueCollar. Any dirty job, any temps, Any time.
For 65K a Year, I would clean the toilets without a brush.


11 posted on 12/14/2013 6:13:25 AM PST by Yorlik803 ( Church/Caboose in 2016)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

While I concede your point that Mike Rowe is an effective spokesman, I respectfully disagree with your opinion as to his relative value in that role.

We need good, likable, charismatic candidates, like Rowe would be, more than we need pundits or pitchmen. We have a few good candidates now, but most are insufferable and unlikable turkeys.


12 posted on 12/14/2013 6:21:56 AM PST by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededicaton to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution...)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist; 3Fingas

Correct. Rowe needs to be a very senior adviser to the RNC and to whomever the Presidential nominee eventually is.

On the radio last night I heard a clip from Steve Schmidt, the idiot who advised McCain and the RNC. I’d love to see Mike Rowe debate him in front of a room full of real people.


13 posted on 12/14/2013 6:22:12 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable. J.F. Kennedy)
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To: Mathews
I'm looking for a Mechanical Maintenance Supervisor. Detroit area.
Is there anything left to maintain in the Detroit area?
14 posted on 12/14/2013 6:22:30 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Kaslin

Read “The Millionaire Next Door.” The vast majority of millionaires have little or no college. They own their own small business and they are conservative. They have a 10 year old car and very few of them bought it new. They live in modest homes but generally own them. If they see a penny on the sidewalk, they pick it up, not because it’s valuable but because doing so represents and attitude. (I generally pick up anywhere from one cent to 35 cents on my walk into the gym and around the gym. The kids drop it and don’t even stop to pick it up.)


15 posted on 12/14/2013 6:32:04 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

“How many times have kids heard their fathers working in the factories to go to college so you don’t have to do what I’m doing? That mentality has completely killed the work ethic.”

I agree with a good portion of his comment however, I recall my granddad taking me with him when I was about 10. He was digging a ditch by shovel on a very hot summer day. His comment, as he was sweating from every pore on his body was, if you don’t want to do this your whole life, make sure you get a good education. I did and while I worked hard my whole life, I never worked like that. BTW, I graduated from college with no debt in 67 because I worked through school and lived AT HOME while commuting to school and work. IMO, the work mentality is killed at home early in one’s life by parents who kowtow to their kids rather than giving them life’s realities: you get what you work for.


16 posted on 12/14/2013 6:36:39 AM PST by Mouton (The insurrection laws perpetuate what we have for a government now.)
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To: Kaslin

“Work smart, not hard” has always been my ethic, and I tell my employees to go home early. If they can’t do that, it means I have a time management problem on my hands, and another issue to resolve. I also always evaluate myself the same way, so I know when mucking things up for those around me.


17 posted on 12/14/2013 6:49:15 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy (Stay metal. For the Horde \m/("_")\m/ - via iPhone from Tokyo.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I read the previous post and then you read my mind and posted what I was thinking about that post. Amazing..

“Actually, Rowe shouldn’t run for office. He’d be a great spokesperson for a campaign.”


18 posted on 12/14/2013 6:56:28 AM PST by This I Wonder32460
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To: 3Fingas

My suspicion is that Mike Rowe is not one hundred percent in line with conservative principles. He’s given indications he’s a greenie, and he is from the entertainment industry. But on this issue, he absolutely nails it.

I bet he grew up surrounded by libs in San Francisco, but his dirty jobs show has opened his eyes to the reality of the world.


19 posted on 12/14/2013 7:14:15 AM PST by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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He grew up in Baltimore, was an opera singer, stumbled into this TV hosting gig. He’s not a greenie, he does support reduction of pollutions like any sane person, but he believes the best effort on the conservation front are the profitable one, because they’re self rewarding and self sustaining. Totally out of line with modern anti-private property green.


20 posted on 12/14/2013 7:22:26 AM PST by discostu (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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