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1 posted on 12/13/2013 3:37:52 AM PST by LD Jackson
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Quickly, GOP approval numbers went from bad to worse.

Republicans now lead the generic congressional ballots by the major poll takers, and eliminating Obamacare was the key reason Democrats -- not conservatives -- shut down the Federal government by their unwillingness to negotiate.

That would not have happened, and the national conversation would not have shifted to eliminating Obamacare, were it not for the principled stand of the conservative wing of the Republican Party.

Care to try again?

38 posted on 12/13/2013 5:20:50 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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That is a good question but a slong as the country club surrender monkeys are going to pasa amnesty then we sure will be if we are not already.


50 posted on 12/13/2013 5:32:07 AM PST by amnestynone (Lindsey Graham is feckless, duplicitous, treacherous, double dealing backstabbing Corksucker.)
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We already know what Republicans in power do. Consider the Bush administration. It was better than the joke that now passes for the executive branch, but the Bush administration was hardly conservative by any measure. Republicans had their chance, and they increased government...a lot.

BTW, I thought Speaker Boehner didn’t have a spine. I was wrong. It’s now clear he isn’t afraid to stand up...against conservatives. It’s also clear that there’s only one party in D.C., and it’s made up of many Republicans and all Democrats. Only a (small) minority of Republicans actually seems to want to reign in the federal beast.


59 posted on 12/13/2013 6:02:10 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Democrats. The only constitutional rights they believe in are sodomy and abortion.)
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Mark Levin finally realized this week what many of us have already known. The GOP will never step up and do what is necessary to save this country. We will end up in a terrible economic crash. Perhaps then things will change.


63 posted on 12/13/2013 6:24:26 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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Yes.

Now I’ll read the article.


66 posted on 12/13/2013 6:34:49 AM PST by NeoCaveman (DC, it's Versailles on the Potomac but without the food and culture)
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It’s important to remember that “conservative” is an umbrella term, and covers “conservative” ideas that are almost mutually exclusive, so if you support one, you cannot support another.

So to achieve the overall concept of conservative, you have to fall back to its deeper meanings, not just the narrow focus of the different “flavors” of conservative.

To start with, the different definitions of conservative. Note, there is some overlap.

1) Status Quo conservatives. These are conservatives who are willing to accept whatever the situation is right now. They do not want dramatic change in any direction, only slow, gradual change. They have no particular agenda other than stability and constancy.

2) Social/Religious conservatives. They stand opposed to government sponsorship of negative and destructive social policies, and want to end them. They want significant change away from them as soon as possible.

3) Business conservatives. Best typified by Calvin Coolidge, who said “The chief business of the American people is business.” However, many of these type conservatives have somewhat lost their way, by being attracted to internationalism. This confuses corporate profits with national economic good, which are not the same thing. Corporations can make great profits by outsourcing, for example, but this hurts us as a nation. In this way, also, they find much in common with internationalist socialists. Again, not a good thing.

4) Libertarian conservatives. Not Libertarians, as such, they reject direct federal government involvement in their lives. They want to stop being pestered by government, to being forced to involve themselves with government. To have to watch the government being in the news every single time they watch it. They want government to shut up and govern, not act like a small child throwing a tantrum because it demands constant attention.

5) Military/Police/Intelligence conservatives. They support the “Pax Americana”, world policeman role; envision the 100+ federal police agencies as not enough domestic security; and also embrace the complete surveillance state, because privacy promulgates criminality. George W. Bush is the perfect example of this. It has gone to its logical extremes, and is egregiously expensive while producing minimal return. Likewise, what it built with good intentions is instantly corrupted by Democrats who have none.

6) Constitutional originalist conservatives. They seek to erase over a hundred years of progressivism, as being necessary for the survival of the nation. A small bloc of conservatives, they imagine the long term agenda of conservatism.

7) Other conservatives. There are many other forms of conservatism, some of which are just a rejection of socialist-liberalism and fascism, internationalism and open borders, etc.


67 posted on 12/13/2013 6:47:25 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Last Obamacare Promise: "If You Like Your Eternal Soul, You Can Keep It.")
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Talk to 5 different people self identifying as conservative and I’d guess you’d get 5 different definitions of what it is to be a “true” conservative.

Lots of overlap, of course, but getting to the nitty gritty, different.


73 posted on 12/13/2013 9:06:09 AM PST by dmz
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