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Friction Over Wolf Reintroduction Spills Into Colorado ( and NM )
Colorado Observer ^ | November 21, 2013 | Valerie Richardson

Posted on 11/21/2013 11:48:46 AM PST by george76

Wildlife lovers clamoring to bring gray wolves to Colorado may want to pay attention to those wooden outhouse-style structures in rural Catron County, New Mexico. They’re called “kid cages,” and they’re built to protect children waiting at school bus stops–from wolves.

“The wolf issue is an example, especially with the kid cages, about how you’re putting the interest of wildlife over the interests of human beings,” said filmmaker David Spady. “Every American should be concerned about seeing kids in cages and wolves out wandering around freely.”

Spady’s remarks came during a Tuesday screening of his film, “Wolves in Government Clothing,” a documentary on the impact of the 1998 wolf reintroduction on those living in the rural West.

The film focuses on rural communities struggling to cope with the economic and safety issues that accompanied the wolves, including livestock depredations, reduced elk and moose herds, and fewer hunting opportunities, not to mention chilling close encounters with wolf packs.

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The Fish and Wildlife Service is expected to rule on the wolf proposals sometime after public hearings conclude Dec. 3.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecoloradoobserver.com ...


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To: GladesGuru

Hey wolves give you a reason to argue for open carry in your state. A good thing.


61 posted on 11/21/2013 4:27:16 PM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: rktman
When vast areas are declared “human-free zones”, “wildlife corridors”, “earth islands” and “bio-sphere habitats”, things will be just fine cause the wolves will already be firmly in place.

AKA: Agenda 21.

There is a reason dangerous predators were hunted and eliminated from populated areas.

Either we remain the apex predator, or we become prey.

62 posted on 11/21/2013 4:37:02 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: bunkerhill7

Consider the Tueller Drill is based on the need to be able to successfully draw and hit a human target that is within 21 feet based on the reality that said target can kill with a knife BECAUSE A MAN CAN COVER @! FEET IN 1.5 SECONDS.

Those wolves could cover the lesser distance in less time.

Can you successfully place buckshot in both wolves in under 1.5 seconds?

If not, you were taking a potentially lethal risk posed by the wolves hostile behavior and their proximity to you.

A wolf snarling is analogous to an Urban Feral waving a knife at you and threatening to use it on you. In many states, were those wolves Urban Ferals making lethal threats, you could justifiably have used lethal force to prevent what a “reasoned and prudent person” would consider an threat of serious injury or death.

Time for you, IMHO, to talk to a lawyer.


63 posted on 11/21/2013 4:37:03 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: Fightin Whitey
So we have another one in our midst.

Seems to be a lot of that lately.

64 posted on 11/21/2013 4:39:46 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: central_va

“Hey wolves give you a reason to argue for open carry in your state. A good thing.

FLorida has plenty of Urban Ferals to justify our presnet gun laws. While I like Open Carry, I prefer Constitutional Carry.

Having said that, I think Open Carry allows the criminal warning and opens a greater likelihood of ambush by said criminals.


65 posted on 11/21/2013 4:40:44 PM PST by GladesGuru (Islam Delenda Est - Because of what Islam is and because of what Muslims do.)
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To: GladesGuru

oh no problem- We hillbillies have been dealing with wolves before here up in the high mountains. If you are in a group of at least 5-6 armed people they do not bother you. We have had experience already with a wolf jumping at us from 15 feet and were able to get off a shot from a 44 before came by us. So we are also expert shots here from our youth from 8 years old shooting with rifles. Only second time in memory the wolves have come down to an elevation of under 1000 feet.


66 posted on 11/21/2013 5:05:10 PM PST by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-Nhttp://capY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: altsehastiin
And all those images are of winter snow shelters that have been at bus stops for years...

Why, yes, of course. All those large windows covered only with heavy wire would be terrific at keeping the snow out.

67 posted on 11/21/2013 8:21:31 PM PST by rmh47 (Go Kats! - Got eight? NRA Life Member])
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To: Sacajaweau
they should be reintroduced into the neighborhoods of those that want them reintroduced. Put a pack introduced to Central Park in NY.Find out where they all live and give them their very own pack of wolves....lets relocate them so the idiots can enjoy the wolves eating their kids as they walk home from school. They will love it...At one time wolves were in every part of the country...Just putting them in the west is so unfair to the east coast and all their cities..

Or lets put it up to a vote.

68 posted on 11/22/2013 11:03:07 AM PST by goat granny
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To: altsehastiin
People like you claim to love places like the Gila Wilderness, just as long as it’s not TOO wild.

Public lands should be used to produce whatever they can, be it beef, timber, minerals, oil, hydroelectric power, whatever.

None of those things prevent you tree huggers from using same for whatever it is you do.

69 posted on 11/22/2013 1:33:34 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

best way to make land productive is to make it not public


70 posted on 11/22/2013 1:34:27 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: elkfersupper

“Public lands should be used to produce whatever they can, be it beef, timber, minerals, oil, hydroelectric power, whatever.”

Yup, gotta love that corporate welfare.


71 posted on 11/22/2013 1:40:53 PM PST by altsehastiin
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To: altsehastiin
Yup, gotta love that corporate welfare.,

I'm sure that if private enterprise was able to buy it instead of lease it, they would.

What we have is not corporate welfare, but statism - which you apparently like.

Do you realize how much land in the western states is controlled by the federal government?

72 posted on 11/22/2013 1:59:42 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: GeronL
best way to make land productive is to make it not public

Yup. Too late, though.

73 posted on 11/22/2013 2:00:41 PM PST by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

never too late


74 posted on 11/22/2013 2:04:41 PM PST by GeronL (Extra Large Cheesy Over-Stuffed Hobbit)
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To: altsehastiin

You sure that you are on the right forum?


75 posted on 11/22/2013 2:16:05 PM PST by sport
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To: Rebelbase

I live not far from this area, and I can assure you, they’re back. I now hear them across the road from me and my neighbor had two in her yard. I’m starting to get moose in my pasture and my neighbor had 16 elk in his field, so they’re moving down from the mountains. Another thing is the ranchers were supposed to get paid for lost cattle, now fish and game is saying they can’t tell if it’s a coyote or wolf attack, even when the rancher saw them. The wolves around here are Canadian wolves who weigh up to 180 lbs. not the grey wolf who weighs about 65.


76 posted on 11/22/2013 2:29:26 PM PST by gunner03
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To: Vigilanteman
Shoot, shovel and shut up.

Totally inadequate.

77 posted on 11/22/2013 2:40:24 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Influence the effluents: Donate to the Senate Conservatives Fund)
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To: altsehastiin

You sir don’t know what you’re talking about. Since they stopped hunting cougars with dogs, they have multiplied, going so far as to attack kids waiting for the school bus, in fact, it’s gotten so bad that hunting with dogs is now allowed in parts of the county. No one wants it soft, and it isn’t being soft living in these part, we respect wildlife, but we’re not stupid enough to go into the forest with less than a .44.


78 posted on 11/22/2013 2:43:36 PM PST by gunner03
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To: altsehastiin
And all those images are of winter snow shelters that have been at bus stops for years, which are being re-labeled as “kid cages” now as a political ploy by anti-wolf people.

Bull, and I know some of these folks personally. My guess is that you're another graduate of the Farley Mowat School of Wild-Lie Biology. That means you have no idea what you are talking about. But there is a way to fix that.

79 posted on 11/22/2013 2:43:55 PM PST by Carry_Okie (Influence the effluents: Donate to the Senate Conservatives Fund)
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To: Carry_Okie

Totally agree. But it’s a start . . .


80 posted on 11/22/2013 2:44:39 PM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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