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To: Ken H

No probable cause. Inadmissible in court. But the 4th Amendment isn’t just talking about prosecutions.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It’s really not hard to understand the “shall not be violated part”. It does not say anything about shall not be violated and used in a court. It just says “shall not be violated”.

If somebody shot these officers on the spot, and I served on the jury I would not convict them.


13 posted on 11/19/2013 2:38:54 PM PST by DariusBane (Liberty and Risk. Flip sides of the same coin. So how much risk will YOU accept?)
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To: DariusBane

“No probable cause. Inadmissible in court. “

Did you read the article?


27 posted on 11/19/2013 2:46:48 PM PST by TexasGator
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To: DariusBane

What has happened is that the “people” have become complacent with violations of our rights to the point that the Constitutional guarantees have become negotiable.

No one is held accountable for Constitutional infractions because after all, EVERYONE DOES IT!

The fear of the common citizen to even challenge violations is so great that they go along to get along instead of standing up for their rights. It has become so common that you can see it every day at the nations airports with lines of zombie like zombies walking with their mouths open and their eyes unseeing through TSA lines and by watching their children violated with communist indoctrination in our school systems.

It’s the “boiling frog” syndrome except the boiling water is not water, it’s the heat of the friction as our rights are being stripped away at light speed.


107 posted on 11/19/2013 4:22:34 PM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: DariusBane

“No probable cause. Inadmissible in court.”

No, it’s voluntary. You waived your rights when you agreed with the request.


138 posted on 11/19/2013 5:16:47 PM PST by PAR35
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To: DariusBane
[You, quoting the Framers] The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

It is absolutely impossible, as even the Warren Court saw, to square this kind of dragnet policing with the Fourth Amendment. These guys are amazing.

Prosecute them all, every last one, for a) conspiracy or b) misprision.

222 posted on 11/21/2013 11:08:43 AM PST by lentulusgracchus
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