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1 posted on 11/19/2013 8:49:19 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Jacquerie

Art. V ping.


2 posted on 11/19/2013 8:50:57 AM PST by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs assist!)
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To: Kaslin

BTTT


3 posted on 11/19/2013 8:52:46 AM PST by txhurl
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To: Kaslin
The amendatory process under Article V consists of three steps: Proposal, Disposal, and Ratification.

Proposal:

There are two ways to propose an amendment to the Constitution.

Article V gives Congress and an Amendments Convention exactly the same power to propose amendments, no more and no less.

Disposal:

Once Congress, or an Amendments Convention, proposes amendments, Congress must decide whether the states will ratify by the:

The State Ratifying Convention Method has only been used twice: once to ratify the Constitution, and once to ratify the 21st Amendment repealing Prohibition.

Ratification:

Depending upon which ratification method is chosen by Congress, either the state legislatures vote up-or-down on the proposed amendment, or the voters elect a state ratifying convention to vote up-or-down. If three-quarters of the states vote to ratify, the amendment becomes part of the Constitution.

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I have two reference works for those reading this thread.

The first is from the American Legislative Exchange Council, a conservative pro-business group. This document has been sent to every state legislator in the country.

Proposing Constitutional Amendments by a Convention of the States: A Handbook for State Lawmakers

The second is a 1973 report from the American Bar Association attempting to identify gray areas in the amendatory process to include an Amendments Convention. It represents the view of the ruling class of 40 years ago. While I don't like some of their conclusions, they have laid out the precedents that may justify those conclusions. What I respect is the comprehensive job they did in locating all the gray areas. They went so far as to identify a gray area that didn't pop up until the Equal Rights Amendment crashed and burned a decade later. Even if you find yourself in disagreement with their vision, it's worth reading to see how the ruling class will try to dominate an Amendments Convention.

Report of the ABA Special Constitutional Convention Study Committee

4 posted on 11/19/2013 8:53:54 AM PST by Publius
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To: Kaslin

How about an amendment to the effect that O’Garbage and everybody who ever accepted a job from him must immediately commit seppuku?


5 posted on 11/19/2013 8:57:34 AM PST by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Kaslin
The 16th Amendment should be repealed or amended to a reasonable % of income ceiling.

But you can't codify vigilance. Nothing can replace the will of the American people to remove politicians for their mischief. In the end, that is the only language the politicians understand. The on-going will of the American People is the only long-term solution for keeping government in check.

7 posted on 11/19/2013 9:01:58 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: Kaslin

Is Mark aware of Long’s efforts?


8 posted on 11/19/2013 9:03:20 AM PST by Viennacon
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To: Kaslin

December 7th was also the day when Delaware became the first state to ratify the Constitution. If California fails to attend, that would probably be a good thing.


10 posted on 11/19/2013 9:04:58 AM PST by SC_Pete
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To: Kaslin

bump


11 posted on 11/19/2013 9:06:37 AM PST by gattaca ("If you tell the truth, you don't have to remember anything." Mark Twain)
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12 posted on 11/19/2013 9:11:35 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: Kaslin

There is nothing wrong with the constitution and amending it could go places you’d rather not want to consider.

Let’s just follow and enforce the damn thing instead of trying to interpret the finer nuances of what we think it should mean and we will be fine.


14 posted on 11/19/2013 9:15:50 AM PST by NY.SS-Bar9 (Those that vote for a living outnumber those that work for one.)
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To: Kaslin

Convention of States Project ping.


15 posted on 11/19/2013 9:17:10 AM PST by ForMyChildren
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To: Jacquerie

Is this guy a part of that groups effort you were talking about last week???


21 posted on 11/19/2013 9:25:28 AM PST by stevie_d_64 (It's not the color of one's skin that offends people...it's how thin it is.)
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To: Kaslin

BTTT


26 posted on 11/19/2013 9:55:38 AM PST by boxlunch (Psalm 2)
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To: Kaslin
The other begins at the state level, where two-thirds of the legislatures ask Congress to call "a convention for proposing amendments."

Twenty six states went for Obama in 2012. What are the chances of most of those calling for the convention, much less ratifying anything that comes out of it?

28 posted on 11/19/2013 10:12:42 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Kaslin

I would like to see Washington decentralized with senators and congressmen operating from offices located in their jurisdictions and conducting legislative business through teleconferences.


29 posted on 11/19/2013 10:13:23 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Kaslin; All

Although I would support repealing the Progressive Movement 16th and 17th Amendments, there is nothing wrong with the Constitution per se.

The real problem with the “Constitution” is low information voters who don’t understand that the Founding States made the Constitution to limit (cripple) the federal government’s powers. And the remedy to restoring the constitutional republic is to get citizens up to speed on the federal government’s constitutionally limited powers. When that happens voters will be less likely to be tricked into voting for corrupt federal politicians who promise constitutonally indefensible federal spending programs to win votes.

But patriots are going to have to get citizens up to speed without the help of the media, including Obama guard dog Fx News, because the corrupt media is protecting the unconstitutonally big federal government.

Note that if patriots can organize to elect 2/3 conservative majority control of both Houses of Congress in the 2014 elections then the Obama tyranny will effectively be water under the bridge. This is because Congress will have the constitutional authority, under Clause 2 of Section 7 of Article I, to override presidential vetoes. In other words, Congress will be able to repeal unconstitutional Obamacare, for example, without Obama’s signature.

Congress will also be able to impeach federal government “leaders” who are not upholding their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution, particularly when it comes to respecting the federal government’s limited powers.


31 posted on 11/19/2013 11:04:11 AM PST by Amendment10
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To: Kaslin

You would need 34 states. Which ones? My state is lib statist central (CA).


32 posted on 11/19/2013 11:59:33 AM PST by Yaelle
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