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1 posted on 11/16/2013 11:58:36 AM PST by Olog-hai
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I honestly didn’t know they ever nabbed the killer in the Kitty Genovese case. I assumed he got away.

Good that his parole was denied. Let him rot there until he croaks.


2 posted on 11/16/2013 12:01:45 PM PST by DemforBush (A candy-colored clown, they call the sandman...)
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I wonder if Kitty was related to the famous mob family, Genovese?


3 posted on 11/16/2013 12:02:21 PM PST by Beowulf9
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Not that I mind this guy staying in prison, but isn’t it kind of late for the state of New York to be worrying undermine respect for the law? As far as I can tell, that’s a gone goose in New York.

If this poor schlub had just given a bit more in campaign contributions to various Democrats he would be a free man today. (It’s not as if the Democrats check to see if the contributor is clean.)


4 posted on 11/16/2013 12:04:23 PM PST by No Truce With Kings (Ten years on FreeRepublic and counting.)
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To: Olog-hai
The chief cop at the time told "the New York Times" a phony story of 38 selfish bystanders to the event to distract the "New York Times" from publicizing the New York Police's arrest of a man for a different murder that Mosley confessed to. Then as now, "The New York Times" publishes phony stories and they are believed for years; e.g., a "massacre" by Menachem Begin's Irgun at the Dir Yassin village.

"Superfreakonomics" broke what is the probably real story of Kitty Genovese's murder and the selfishness of the bystanders.

9 posted on 11/16/2013 12:19:24 PM PST by Stepan12
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Every once in a while I remember hearing about this murder growing up.

A few years ago I lived in NY and on occasion would take the LIRR to JFK and the train would stop at Kew Gardens. One day I looked up Kew Gardens and saw that was where she was murdered and read a lot more into the circumstances.

Tragic and interesting read.

10 posted on 11/16/2013 12:22:04 PM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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Every once in a while I remember hearing about this murder growing up.

A few years ago I lived in NY and on occasion would take the LIRR to JFK and the train would stop at Kew Gardens. One day I looked up Kew Gardens and saw that was where she was murdered and read a lot more into the circumstances.

Tragic and interesting read.

13 posted on 11/16/2013 12:29:11 PM PST by Gamecock (If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution. Period. (M.S.))
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14 posted on 11/16/2013 12:32:47 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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If I'm not mistaken, this murder was the original source of the sentence "I don't want to get involved" in American life.
16 posted on 11/16/2013 12:40:34 PM PST by Steely Tom (If the Constitution can be a living document, I guess a corporation can be a person.)
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To: Olog-hai

I lived on Lefferts Blvd. for awhile in 1979, a couple of blocks away from the scene. Creeped me out to see the block where it happened.


18 posted on 11/16/2013 12:46:49 PM PST by Arthur McGowan
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The Kitty Genovese story revisted

I don't want to use up too much band with by reprinted the latest version of the story, but I believe the chief cop told "the New York Times" that hokey story of the 38 selfish bystanders in order to cover up his department's incompetence in arresting a person for another murder that Winston Mosley confessed to when he was caught. I am not even sure if they had 911 in those days and the person that did call the police when Mosley was attacking Kitty Genovese wasn't sure what was happening because it was so dark.

19 posted on 11/16/2013 12:56:47 PM PST by Stepan12
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I worked in NY State's prison system for 25 years, having started as an officer at Auburn in the fall of 1980. Moseley was there, working as a porter in the administration building. Being a rookie, I worked various jobs and hours during the first year. One job I covered was a post called the Wire Gate. This was where inmates heading up to the administration building, medical department, etc., had to show ID, and be cleared to pass to that area. This is where I first saw Moseley. He was on his way to work up front, and stopped at the gate to give me his name and show his ID. His name sounded familiar to me, as well as his face, but I couldn't place him. It wasn't until other officers told me that he was the murderer of Kitty Genovese. He'd look familiar to me because I had previously watched a program featuring, I believe, Dan Rather interviewing him. He must have been up for parole at the time, and they'd done a segment on it.

I'm a female, and there weren't that many of us working at Auburn back then. On one of his trips through the wire gate, Moseley asked me what the initial K. on my nametag stood for. Had I been quicker, I should have said "Kitty," but I simply told him it was none of his business, and he never asked again.

In 1968, while at Attica, Moseley escaped from custody while on an outside hospital visit. If anyone is interested in reading about this incident, it's covered at Wikipedia:

Winston Moseley

I've always wondered how someone with murder, escape, rape, and kidnapping on their record managed to get a cushy porter job in the prison's admin building, especially in light of the fact that access to the outside of the prison was only a couple of electronic gates away.

20 posted on 11/16/2013 1:03:44 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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This man must never be let out of prison:

From wikipedia:

Moseley’s trial began on June 8, 1964 and was presided over by Judge J. Irwin Shapiro. Moseley initially pleaded “not guilty” but his plea was later changed by his attorney to “not guilty by reason of insanity”.[22] On Thursday, June 11, Moseley was called to testify by his attorney who hoped that Moseley’s testimony would convince the jury would that he was “a schizophrenic personality and legally insane”. During his testimony, Moseley described the events on the night he murdered Genovese, along with the two other murders he confessed to and numerous other burglaries and rapes. The jury deliberated for seven hours before returning a guilty verdict on June 11 at around 10:30 p.m.[16]
On Monday, June 15, 1964, Moseley was sentenced to death. When the sentence was read by the jury foreman, Moseley showed no emotion while some spectators applauded and others cheered. When calm had returned, Judge Shapiro added, “I don’t believe in capital punishment, but when I see this monster, I wouldn’t hesitate to pull the switch myself!”[23] On June 1, 1967, the New York Court of Appeals found that Moseley should have been able to argue that he was “medically insane” at the sentencing hearing when the trial court found that he had been legally sane, and the initial death sentence was reduced to an indeterminate sentence/lifetime imprisonment.[24]
On March 18, 1968, Moseley escaped from custody while being transported back to prison from Meyer Memorial Hospital in Buffalo, New York where he had undergone minor surgery for a self-inflicted injury.[25][26] Moseley hit the transporting correctional officer, stole his weapon, and then fled to a nearby vacant home owned by a Grand Island couple, Mr. and Mrs. Matthew Kulaga. Moseley stayed at the residence undetected for three days. On March 21, the Kulagas went to check on the home where they encountered Moseley. He held the couple hostage for over an hour during which he bound and gagged Matthew Kulaga and raped his wife. He then took the couple’s car and fled.[25][27] Moseley made his way to Grand Island where, on March 22, he broke into another home and took a woman and her daughter hostage. He held them hostage for two hours before releasing them unharmed. Moseley surrendered to police shortly thereafter.[28] He was later charged with escape and kidnapping to which he pleaded guilty. Moseley was given two additional fifteen-year sentences concurrent with his life sentence.[29]
In 1971, Moseley participated in the Attica Prison riots.[30] In the late 1970s Moseley obtained a B.A. in Sociology in prison from Niagara University.[31]
Moseley became eligible for parole in 1984. During his first parole hearing, Moseley told the parole board that the notoriety he faced due to his crimes also made him a victim stating, “For a victim outside, it’s a one-time or one-hour or one-minute affair, but for the person who’s caught, it’s forever.”[32] At the same hearing, Moseley claimed he never intended to kill Genovese and that he considered her murder to be a mugging because “[...] people do kill people when they mug them sometimes.” The board denied his request for parole.[33] Moseley remains in prison after being denied parole a sixteenth time in November 2013.[7]


23 posted on 11/16/2013 1:17:55 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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25 posted on 11/16/2013 1:56:12 PM PST by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe (yup, I belong))
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Here is very good but lengthy article about the case:
To summarize the case was made famous by The NY Times "37 Who Saw Murder Didn't Call" article by Martin Gansberg. It was an urban legend that there were 37 wintessess.

-- The killer, Winston Moseley was a serial rapist and burler.

-- The most shocking detail:
in 1968, during a routine transfer to a hospital in Buffalo, Moseley managed to overpower a guard and steal his gun. He later took five people hostage and raped a woman in front of her husband.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/kitty_genovese/1.html
27 posted on 11/16/2013 1:58:57 PM PST by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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Today the name Kitty Genovese remains synonymous with public apathy, although almost nothing is known of who she actually was. It was not reported in 1964 that Kitty Genovese was a lesbian and that she shared her home in Kew Gardens with her girlfriend, Mary Ann Zielonko. In this piece, the first broadcast interview she has ever granted, Mary Ann remembers Kitty and the time they shared.

http://soundportraits.org/on-air/remembering_kitty_genovese/


31 posted on 11/16/2013 2:41:49 PM PST by kcvl
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At 2 that morning, Winston Moseley, 29, had slipped out of the bed he shared with his wife in Ozone Park. He cruised Queens Blvd., seeking to scratch his psychopathic itch. Fate led him to Kitty Genovese.

Moseley sprinted after Genovese and twice buried a knife blade in her back. She cried out, “Oh, my God, he stabbed me! Please help me!”
Lights flicked on in a 10-story apartment building on Austin St. One citizen, Robert Mozer, raised his window and shouted, “Let that girl alone!”
Moseley ran to his car and drove off.

Some residents later said they assumed the assault was the usual closing-time caterwauling from Old Bailey, a boisterous corner bar. At least one man - the father of a teenager who saw the attack - said he phoned police.
Genovese staggered around back of her two-story building, out of sight of the witnesses. She was trying to make it home to her roommate.

But she was stymied by a locked door and collapsed near the entrance, clinging to consciousness. Her neighbors apparently were unaware of her dire circumstances.

Moseley sat in his car a few blocks away and waited to see whether police arrived. When they didn’t, he made the remarkable decision to return and finish the job he had started.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/killing-kitty-genovese-47-years-holds-sway-new-yorkers-article-1.123912#ixzz2kqrfFpnh


34 posted on 11/16/2013 2:49:58 PM PST by kcvl
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The Murder of Kitty Genovese
35 posted on 11/16/2013 2:54:55 PM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah so shall it be again,")
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