Posted on 11/16/2013 9:39:09 AM PST by FBD
You know, I’ve read through bigheadfred’s comments and he’s not a quarrelsome person. He backed off and acknowledged your points to his post, why not show him the same courtesy. Regards and peace.
Well, since you are going to remember it, I guess I'll have to correct it. It comes from Robert Burns' poem "To a Mouse" and the two lines are: "The best-laid schemes 'o mice an' men/ gang oft agley..." (meaning "often go awry"). It's also the source of Steinbeck's title "Of Mice and Men." The phrase is often misremembered as "The best laid plans of mice and men often go awry," but the original is written in Burns' Scottish dialect.
Looking closely the TSA agent was totally unresponsive, head back, and you can see his blood soaked shirt.
I'd bet he was already dead in this shot.
""It would be 33 minutes before Transportation Security Administration Officer Gerardo Hernandez, who was about 20 feet from an exit, would be wheeled out by police to an ambulance""
Completely overlooked in this post that seems to have become another of the infamous Freeper exercises in cop hating, is that paramedic service is supplied by the fire department, not the police department. The medics are unarmed, and have no means of defending themselves. Accordingly, they “stage” at a nearby safe location until the police declare the area safe for them. In this incident, there was originally a belief that there was more than one shooter, so the “clear for medics” wouldn’t have come until the search of the immediate vicinity of both the shooting site and the location where the gunman was finally shot had been completed.
And, for what it’s worth, using the time the patient was wheeled out produces an inaccurate result. The protocol these days is to initiate emergency treatment prior to transporting the patient. He’d have had vital signs assessed, IV’s started, heart monitored etc. prior to being transported.
I like it. But I’m going to remember it as “oft go awry”. ;-)
OK, this is just bullshit! Each officer, both police and TSA agents, need to carry a Dark Angel Medical kit...it’s a field kit that holds quick clot bandages, tourniguet, and other stuff to control bleeding. The kits come in Mil/LE applications (has to do with a special treatment of the bandage so it (the Mil/LE kit) shows up on Xrays, I think. I’m thinking a quick clot bandage and pressure may have saved this man’s life. If the officer who kept checking him (and said he was dead...wait, what??? Cops are, in an active shooter situation, not usually prepared to declare) would have aided him. Very good chance he would still be alive.
I won’t post the link to the website, but I am not affiliated with them in any way, I just follow their website and advice and covet one of their kits. And they are not that expensive.
Methinks better comms between the cops and FD are in order.
Since we're spending tens of hundreds of billions on law enforcement, where they have bomb squads, armored vehicles, negotiators, swat teams, computer crimes specialist, forensic teams, investigators, pilots why not a simple medic to go along with entry teams?
Do they not exist?
Is this too complex?
I will be honest with you, I'm not a fan of * most* police anymore, after witnessing their actions time and again, while I was on a fire dept. They do in fact, interfere with rescue operations on a regular basis. If you disagree, fine, but watch this short ^^^video above ^^^ of a cop arresting a fire department captain on an accident and tell me whointhehell this cop was “protecting”.
See the video in # 68
Moments after the shooter was taken into custody, an officer checking the victim found no pulse. Bleeding out is unlikely to have been the cause of death. Which is not to say the kit isn’t useful in the right circumstances. Officers in my city often purchase and carry them in their vehicles.
The article is a symphony of speculation, most of it fanciful but off key.
Opps...He did have a pulse.
SWAT medics are pretty much the norm these days, but nobody has a SWAT team standing by at all hours. They’re assembled as needed.
L.A.’s a big city, in the North Hollywood bank shootout, there was a SWAT team conducting an exercise at the police academy, right off the same freeway that went to No. Hwd. It still took close to half an hour to get ‘em on scene.
I’m surprised they didn’t put him on a spine board. That’s what the medics would have done. Seriously, a wheelchair??? You’re right, he had probably bled out by this time.
I’m familiar with police/fire conflicts and don’t disagree with your comments. Absent knowledge of the full context of the incident in the video you attached, I have no opinion about what it really portrays.
Excuse me, LAX has safe areas, FBI offices, the CIA is there, they have a hospital bordering the airport, LAPD and DOA have police stations at LAX and there are fire department facilities all over the place at LAX.
I think the video speaks for itself.
There is so much law enforcement around LAX, you can't even stop for 10 seconds by the terminal curb without being cited and fined unless you're actively loading passengers...
There is a an army of law enforcement in and around LAX...Multiple law enfofce3ment offices and substations, more than you could ever imagine.
Well, no, we don’t know that he had a pulse.
I’m intimately familiar with LAX’s enforcement actvities.
Union. Look for the union liable.
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