The Great Purge (Of the US Military)

Family Security Matters ^ | November 11, 2013 | PETER FARMER

[Berlin_Freeper]

Ravi's Visit to Guantanamo Bay Naval Base

[Utilizer]

People are afraid to compare Barky to Stalin for several reasons, not the least of which being that quite a few think that the clinton body count was just the beginning for this muzlim fraud.

If you disagree with him in any way shape or form you are a disloyal, evil Tea Partier, a "white hispanic", or a Republican or conservative.

And a racist, of course.

[CivilWarBrewing]

Our SEALs need to avoid getting on helicopters or going to gun ranges. I still want more details on Chris Kyle’s killer.

[Robert Teesdale]

So began the purge of the senior officer corps of the Soviet army and navy. By the time the process ended in 1939 - with war on the horizon - the military had been decimated. Three of the five Marshalls of the Soviet Army - including Tukhachevsky himself - were executed...

I do not see U.S. generals being put through show trials and subsequently shot in the back of the neck. Political interference with military leadership - including shuffling of command staff - is going to be normal in any nation where civilian control of the military is the standard. Although that does cause readiness problems and make the transient ideology of any current White House administration a thorn in the side of the professional officer corps, it's still preferential to an arrangement such as Turkey's.

[MHGinTN]

Thank you for the link.

[centurion316]

I haven't been able to find any real evidence for a purge, but I'm still looking, so it may be out there.

Rear Admiral Charles M. Gaouette - the former commander of Carrier Strike Group Three (CSG-3, U.S.S. John C. Stennis) - was relieved of his post after contending that aircraft from his strike group could have made it to the scene in Tripoli in time to aid/rescue the trapped personnel. Officially, Gaouette was forcibly-retired for making "racially-insensitive remarks" and public use of profanity; the real reason he was forced out was for daring to contradict administration propaganda about Benghazi.1

This little fairy tale keeps getting told with every one of these accounts. It is demonstrably untrue, as the Admiral and his carrier task group were in the Arabian Sea supporting operations in Afghanistan when the attack on Benghazi ocurred. So, he probably was relieved following a pissing contest with the skipper of his flagship as has been reported elsewhere. This one is so easy to bebunk that I am chalking everything else up as nonsense until actual facts emerge. These stories are certainly suffering from a facts shortage.

[blueunicorn6]

I knew we were in trouble when the memorandum came down saying it wasn’t fair to evaluate Soldiers based on their performance in combat. That’s like saying you should evaluate a Major League Baseball player based on his penmanship instead of his batting average.

[Berlin_Freeper]

Most welcome MHGinTN.

[Rockitz]

This article puts a number on it and seems a lot more comprehensive.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/10/top-generals-obama-is-purging-the-military/

“Boykin referred to recent reports that Obama has purged some 197 officers in the past five years.”

[PGR88]

Under Obama, that neutrality has been tossed out the window.

Typical Republicans would respond by being even more "neutral." Wrong. The response from a new administration should be to fire every single officer who was involved in the purge.

[centurion316]

Have you tried to discover who those 197 people might be. That turns out to be very hard to do. Approximately 157 of them turn out to be Navy Lt. Commanders who are being released because of a reduction of Navy strength. A number of the others are mid grade officers who committed some infraction or place their ships in ad hoc dry dock by driving them onto reefs. Boiling it down, you can actually come up with the names of 9 general/flag officers who were sacked, mostly for personal conduct issues.

See my comment, still standing by it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3088808/posts

[Portcall24]

The last verses from Road to Moscow (1974) by Al Stewart

I’m coming home, I’m coming home, now you can taste it in the wind, the war is over
And I listen to the clicking of the train-wheels as we roll across the border
And now they ask me of the time that I was caught behind their lines and taken prisoner
“They only held me for a day, a lucky break,” I say they turn and listen closer
I’ll never know, I’ll never know why I was taken from the line and all the others
To board a special train and journey deep into the heart of holy Russia
And it’s cold and damp in the transit camp, and the air is still and sullen
And the pale sun of October whispers the snow will soon be coming
And I wonder when I’ll be home again and the morning answers “Never”
And the evening sighs, and the steely Russian skies go on forever

From a comment about the meaning of the song:

Follows pretty much a literal history filled with all manner of specifics, but all of it from the Soviet perspective, particularly how those Red Army troops fortunate enough, or so they thought, to survive being taken prisoner by the Germans or even to escape the captivity of the Germans, only to discover that Stalin’s (Beria’s that is) people rounded them up and imprisoned or killed nearly all of them. Stalin’s secret police, what we think of as the KGB but I think it was still the NKVD at that time, was run by a particularly vicious henchman by the name of Lavrenti Beria. After Stalin died, one the very first things to happen under Kruschev was to have Beria shot. No one was safe as long as that psycho was still in existence and it is ironic that he was shot in the basement of the Lubyanka prison - right where he so often enjoyed dispensing the very same form of “justice” personally.

Here’s all the lyrics:

http://songmeanings.com/songs/view/140258/

[clintonh8r]

General James Mattoon Scott: Where are you now that we need you?

[donmeaker]

Glanz reviewed Soviet Archives. They are more complete than comparable German archives: Soviets used dual reporting chains provide reports of each action passed both up the command channels and up the Commisar channels.

His numbers:
14.5 million military deaths
35 million nonmilitary deaths.

11 million military deaths took place before Stalingrad.

Over a million 2nd Lieutenants. Who gets to be a 2nd Lieutenant? A bright young man with promise and some showing of responsibility.

Russia paid a high price for Stalin’s cooperation with Hitler.

[combat_boots]

0bama is replacing and has replaced the commanders of our nuclear submarines with those who will not return fire.

Remember, 0bama specifically said that a nuclear weapon could go off here and would not be avenged. I am certain there have been attempts to put him at his word.

[combat_boots]

Let me also thank the 1000s of those who are fighting FOR this country and its greatness. In difficult and dangerous, often life-threatening situations on and off the battlefield, I send thanks.

Here’s hoping business is VERY, VERY good all week.

Thank you for our safety over the weekend.

[Rockitz]

I have not, but am thankful for your and OldSarge’s thoughtful posts on this issue. Are there any numbers under recent GOP administrations with which to compare Obama? Were there documented dismissals under GWB where there were public differences between military officers and the administration? Such information would help put this possibly exaggerated purge concern to bed. Thanks.

[Vermont Lt]

Please do not allow facts to get in the way of a good conspiracy.

We are going through a draw down. Those folks who were “marginal” are being mothballed. This is happening all the way down the charts.

Are they are “justified?” I don’t have enough information.

But agree with you. These folks are not getting whacked because of “small” things.

[Vermont Lt]

“0bama is replacing and has replaced the commanders of our nuclear submarines with those who will not return fire.”

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Has anyone got a link for this stuff. I keep seeing it posted on web sites, but there isn’t a link on any of them.

I would love to see where this is happening, because I’ve asked my senior officer friends and none of them have any idea what I am talking about.