Posted on 11/12/2013 10:40:17 AM PST by Nelson Hultberg
I agree. If the Kochs, Adelsteins, et al are willing to back AFR, then we could see something pretty interesting. It will take tens of millions, a well-staffed and functional organization, and visionary leadership. I’ve advocated this since Nov. 8 2012.
It will take a collaboration of donors like those above, leadership (rock-solid conservatives like Allen West, Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, for example), and multi-disciplinary visionaries to guid the effort (which could include a mix of groups as diverse as The Heritage Foundation, Hillsdale College, Peter Schiff, and Newt Gingrich).
The right ideas, the right leadership, and sufficient money could turn these fantasies we post about all the time into reality, just as they’ve done for the other side. We already have the Communications Team - think how quickly Rush, Hannity, Levin, Malkin, and the rest of the grassroots conservative media could deliver the message. But advertizing alone can’t sell a non-existent product. We have a great product (Conservatism) - but it’s not packaged and presented right.
YES WE CAN.
The way to do it is to seize control of local municipal and County committee seats, County charimanships and state committee seats and then work from there UPWARDS with municipal councils, mayors, etc.
Nelson, I’ve read your material at Le Metropole Café, but I had no idea you were a FReeper. Good to have you on board.
Taking over the Party will require taking out the current “leadership”, either in the Primary, OR in the General.
We can if we plug into every spot there is from the local precinct to the WH....it requires hard work and diligence but it MUST be done
Absolutely correct. The proper approach to taking over the party is to capture the controls of the party machine at the precinct, district, country, and state levels. The candidate is least of the concerns; of course good candidates are important, but they don't equal control. Control comes from infrastructure.
A new party is a self-defeating exercise, with many examples. It is a lot simpler to capture the existing infrastructure and turn it than to create it from the ground up and do battle with both the DNC and RNC, who have heavily stacked the rules in their favor.
Not only NO. HELL NO!!!!!!!!
Yep.
Mitch has recognized this threat, has called out the TEA Party and is busy attacking TEA Party politicians and candidates.
It's all out War.
Conservatives splitting from the Republican Party is one sure way to guarantee the left will triumph, but it will offer principled voters the security of knowing they did the right thing, even though it will end up all wrong. It will be a wonderful way to get Hillary, or someone worse, just like Ross Perot gave us Bill, twice. Revolutions aren’t won by shooting yourself in the foot. From the days of Gramsci writing on matchbooks in a dark cell, to the cultural revolution of the sixties, to the wholesale takeover of the Democratic Party, the media and our educational institutions by the fanatical left, decades were required. It never would have happened had leftist ideologues abandoned the Democratic Party. In the end it is simple mathematics. In a 50/50 divide (loosely speaking), the party that stays 50 while the other splits 25/25 wins.
Should the Republican Party lose the viability to be a majority party in Washington, the solution isn’t for the disillusioned, de facto disenfranchised to take their principles and throw their own party. The solution will be for the minority party to join the majority party, and settle in for a long revolution to break it up, and tear it down, and change it from the inside out.
The Tea Party is still a young movement, and it has a long ways to go, as the Cuccinelli failure demonstrates. Usurping the status quo of the Republican Party will require organization, funding, a willingness to stay in the fight of winning hearts, minds and votes, just like the left did throughout the long years of their revolution. If the Tea Party and conservatives lack the commitment to win back the America that has been lost, splitting into a third party or four parties, or a European smorgasbord of political activists won’t help a thing.
I doubt if the GOP will ever be turned into a conservative organization.
The TEA Party can’t do it.
Conservatives should join the Whigs that were resurrected 6 years ago as a conservative, Constitution loving, pro-small government organization. It would certainly be an easier path that converting the liberals in the GOP.
Yes, Perot gave us Clinton. But Bush gave us Perot. Conservatives don't have to win the first time. They just have to stop losing all the time.
That depends on where you live, on how many local white working-class voters are susceptible to a values argument, and how damaged the brand is where you live.
As a national program? I seriously doubt it.
The next second party will have to appeal to Wal-Mart shoppers and young white HS graduates. The next second party is going to have to hang some banksters out to dry. The next second party is going to have to revive manufacturing. The GOP is poorly situated - VERY poorly, where I live - to do this.
Palin/Warren.
Go White, Go Right, or Go Home.
The next second party is more likely to arrest the Kochs and the Adelsteins.
F the Whigs
Nixon would have been who he was and done what he did without any neocons (though he did take a shine to Moynihan). He was more or less where the country and the Republican Party in Washington were back then.
We will have to create a whole new array of banking moguls on Wall Street who respect Jefferson and Smith instead of Marx and Keynes.
So much is wrong in that sentence. Crony capitalism and corruption will persist whatever happens with "Wall Street Marxism." Good political intentions only last so long in people. Temptation never goes away, even for admirers of Jefferson or Smith.
I guess this time it would be Obama giving us a Perotesque party, and that electing Tea Party conservatives into office as third party candidates, as opposed to electing them as Republicans, will transform the status quo. ...(?)
Too bad we can’t get the Democrats to try it.
If we could get the left to split its vote, conservatives might actually gain something by splitting the Republican vote, besides electing Democrats.
It has been done before.
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