wonder how she did on the hauling hoses up stairs test???This reminds me of a quote from the movie “The Enforcer”. Eastwood, as Dirty Harry, is on a selection board for promotion to detective. He asks: what the hell do you think this is (the job of detective) some kind of encounter group?
And that is just what is happening across the board. Rather than having one set of criteria for a job, we have different criteria so the outcomes can be the same.
She could probably fail every test and still not be fired. lol
Firefighter is a “promotion” from EMT? Aren’t they different jobs with different required skills?
wonder how she did on the hauling hoses up stairs test???To Wendy Tapia: Don’t worry sweetheart, perhaps if you can’t make it as a firefighter, you can go active duty military and be in the infantry.
This is an insult to every other firefighter (male and female) that has taken and passed the test in order to graduate. Passing the test - is it or is it not a requirement? If not a requirement, why were so many others barred from serving as firefighters by it? If it is, then why did she graduate? Set the criteria by what is necessary for the job and stick to them. All else is favoritism. You can call it sexism, racism, ageism, any old “ism” you want but it comes down to playing fast and loose with the criteria for the job. You put unqualified people on the job and you put lots of lives at risk. Not just the people you are supposed to be serving who expect a firefighter that can pass muster, but also their fellow firefighters and other emergency responders are put at increased risk.
I wonder how many chances they give male candidates to successfully pass?
I wonder how many people will die so she can be part of that Department? She obviously isn’t physically capable enough to pass even the drastically low bar women have to get over to join a FD, so how on earth will she actually do the job? She won’t be able to pull the big 2 1/2” hoses, much less run one, and for certain won’t be able to evacuate an injured human from a burning structure. She’ll just be in the way, and her weakness may well cost someone their life, either a victim she’s unable to rescue, or a fellow firefighter that she is unable to properly back up.
This is the same problem that women in the military face. In the appropriate garrison job, or other noncom duty, they’re not really any worse than a man, and even some of the heavier-duty tasks like mechanic can be overcome with little accommodation. However, in even a peripherally-combat situation like being in a FOB that gets overrun, most are going to be a hazard to their male peers, unable to drag a wounded squadmate out of the line of fire, or even to operate a heavy crew-served weapon.
As if the fires will care?
Man, this is insanity writ large. If she wants to serve in a parafire capability great. Maybe she can help the fireMEN back at the station. There’s more than one way to help the cause without desperately grabbing at a specific glory she just isn’t cut out to have.
Her self esteem is more important to the powers that be than public safety.
To Tapia: Those tests are actually there for a reason. That reason is called “able to survive and rescue others in a fire.” Sorry, you dolt, the flames won’t consider gender equity and PC when you are in a burning building. Now, if just got your stupid azz fried, I would not care. But you almost certainly will get someone else killed, either a comrade trying to save you or a civilian that a physically competent male could have saved. So you are scum.
She went sick her first day and requested a desk job.
That 12-minute standard seems like it’s already been “dumbed-down” to accommodate females. That’s an eight-minute mile.
Its NYC.
Who care if the NYFD cant save the NY city dwellers?
F-NYC.
Many years ago one of my close friends who was an excellent athlete and always in good shape took the test to become a fireman. He told me about the physical part of the test. I wouldn’t be surprised if only one male in five could have passed the physical. I would have had a tough time passing it, and I though I was in shape at the time. My friend passed and was put on the waiting list, but he took another job instead and never became a fireman.
Most people overlook the real problem. If she cannot pass the test now while she is young and at the peak of her physical powers, what will she be like when she hits 40 and has gained a few pounds and lost some youth?
The answer is she will be hiding somewhere in an administrative job on light duty and earning Firefighters pay.
I have seen it.
I remember a woman who failed the training school where I worked as Firefighter, she went to court against the Chief and Captain at the school, she got a do-over and the Chief and captain got a transfer. Their replacements saw the handwriting on the wall and passed her, she graduated.
She was useless in the Company she went to, and created multiple problems, after a couple of years, one day she went on sick leave. The Firefighters stopped at a local Safeway to get groceries , and she was there working a part time job as register clerk while on sick leave from the Fire Department. This time she got fired.
Yeah, there's a reason for that. And it should be 34.
About 7 years ago the LA Weekly (the VERY liberal, left-wing, free newspaper of Los Angeles) did a very comprehensive article on LAFD and its problems with female recruits who (literally) couldn’t pull their own weight.
It was this same story, multiplied by many of LA’s women firefighters. Documented how they get hired as EMTs because the physical demands are less and fail as firefighters (looks like this chick went EMT to firefighter also). After failing they cost the county big money in Worker’s Comp and discrimination lawsuits.
Also, an obscenely disproportionate amount of money is spent recruiting and in remedial training of females.