Posted on 11/04/2013 1:21:56 PM PST by tuwood
I'm usually a lurker here, but I may have something to contribute today. :)
I was listening to a hard core Liberal in another non political forum I frequent go on and on about how Obama just implemented the Republican healthcare plan that the Heritage Foundation suggested.
I have read about the Heritage Foundation spin before, but this seems to really be popping up a lot on my journeys around the interwebs lately so I did a little digging and noticed that pretty much all of the Wiki pages about the ACA have very recently been edited to insert the Heritage Foundation as the source of the individual mandate type language.
It's almost comical to me the obviousness in what they're trying to do. ACA is turning into a POS so how can we pin this on the Republicans? Oh yeah, Heritage... it's all their idea.
Here's one example of what I'm talking about:
Current Wiki Page describing the History
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_America_Act
History The bill was introduced on October 29, 2009 and passed on November 7, during the 1st Session of the 111th Congress. Its primary sponsor was the Dean of the House, John Dingell of Michigan. The bill is a revised version of an earlier measure, the proposed America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (HR 3200 [18][19]). The revisions included refinements designed to meet the goals outlined in the President's address to a joint session of Congress in September, 2009 concerning health care reform. In 1989 the idea for the "individual madate" that every household obtain adequate health care was proposed by a consertive think tank known as the Heritage Foundation [20] and supported in congress by high profile republicans Newt Gingrich, Orin Hatch and Charles Grassley in 1993.[21]
Same page, but 5 days ago on October 30th.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Affordable_Health_Care_for_America_Act&oldid=579424078
History The bill was introduced on October 29, 2009 and passed on November 7, during the 1st Session of the 111th Congress. Its primary sponsor was the Dean of the House, John Dingell of Michigan. The bill is a revised version of an earlier measure, the proposed America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (HR 3200 [18][19]). The revisions included refinements designed to meet the goals outlined in the President's address to a joint session of Congress in September, 2009 concerning health care reform.
Not one mention of the Heritage Foundation up until a few days ago. It's seems monumentally coincidental that the Wiki page for a law back in 2009 would mysteriously have this added just in the past few days. Hmmm I suspect we'll start hearing a lot more of this through the media as the ACA continues to tank.
Why not blame it on Heritage? They are already blaming it on Romney.
Yep, the crap is beginning to hit the fan and they are desperate for the splatter to come back and hit someone other than the Democrats who own 100% of Obamacare. It received not a single Republican vote in either the House or the Senate and passed solely with Democrat votes. They OWN it and they suddenly aren’t very proud of that ownership.
Republicans & conservatives should do NOTHING that helps the Democrats escape the rightful wrath of the American people nor should they do anything that will help the Democrats deflect the “blame”.
Does the Heritage Foundation even have a healthcare plan as an option? I’ve never heard of it.
I trust the Heritage Foundation. I DO NOT trust Wikipedia.
"It's the Heritage Foundation's plan! Mitt Romney!"
First of all, I'm guessing the Heritage Foundation plan was significantly different, as was Romney's, but who cares?!
I wouldn't care if my own mother wrote the legislation in consultation with Reagan's ghost, it sucks ass and will forever suck ass.
I don’t know what Heritage said or what it has to do with things now. Who cares what wikipedia says?
The fact is that unless you deny care to people (i.e. turn uninsured away at the ER), the cost of caring for sick people is going to have to be born by people who aren’t sick. If Heritage said something like that, it’s just a fact.
The problem is, those costs are too high, and out of control. Obamacare is aimed at providing free or subsidized healthcare to sick people by forcing them to have insurance rather than making the very expensive ER their choice. It’s an insurance program, not a cost-reduction program.
No one tackled the cost issue, which is what will have to be done before we ever have actual “reform”. The old system was broken, Obamacare is even more broken and will never work. Neither addressed the right problem.
I’m on my early ten smartphone with limited capability. Someone should copy and run searches on that language to see if a big cut and paste propaganda job is underway.
Early gen. Generation. Stupid autocorrect ...
this has been going around since September and I remember hearing it last summer.
From what I remember, they originally felt that having individuals responsible for their own care was a good idea. But the democrats didn’t even come close to that but forced us to pay for our neighbors pre-existing condition and contribute to democrat constituencies getting more free stuff.
Anyone can edit a Wikipage.
The facts:
The Heritage Foundation idea entered ONE legislative proposal which never got additional sponsors, never got added or placed into a proposed bill. It was DOA. In spite of the idea’s very limited heritage in the workings of the GOP, it is sometime’s still written of in blogs as a “GOP” proposal or a “Republican proposal” although it ought to be most honestly written as “one man’s proposal”, because that was the full weight of it in Congress.
If an “individual mandate” was all there was to the law, you could do that with a law about two pages long.
What are the other 2998 pages for? What are the other 100,000 pages of regulations for?
Also, the author of the Heritage study has a piece out claiming his technical exercise in the article is being taken out of context and that recent advances make the study irrelevant anyways.
Nice job documenting that, btw!
from what I remember, their study was from the late 80’s to address the baby boomers.
That was a very good catch. Thank you.
The “Individual Mandate” should simply be that every individual quit patronizing the Medical Mafia, and start getting healthy.
The History of the Individual Mandate
How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate
The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate
Hence, the libs are trying to call Obamacare the "Heritage Plan," when it isn't.
Romney asked for it.
Not only did he institute CommieCare in Massataxes he advised President Obama to do the same thing nationwide.
http://mittromneycentral.com/op-eds/2009-op-eds/mr-president-whats-the-rush/
Twenty years ago there were things in life that I thought might be a good idea too. After gathering more data and analyzing them, I realized they were not a good idea.
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