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Sorry Charlie, but in that case as well as this the officers were the ones doing the confronting. Delaying a response in both cases would have saved lives -- and taxpayer's money.
1 posted on 11/02/2013 5:28:18 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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the officers are pigs and I hope they are prosecuted


2 posted on 11/02/2013 5:30:16 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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If anyone can help I would sure like to know what this statement by the police means:

"By the time the deputy who was driving was able to pull across the intersection at West Robles Avenue and into the oncoming lane of Moorland Avenue, Gelhaus had already begun shooting at Lopez, Henry said."

Does that mean that the order to drop the gun was given from a moving vehicle and inside of it?

Does it mean that the officer was shooting while the vehicle was moving -- a drive by shooting so to speak?

Does that mean that the deputy was shooting across the car at the kid and thus had the engine block for protection between himself and the kid??

How do you fear for your life in that case when you have every advantage on your side and the victim has none???

Meanwhile his partner is the one exposed and he holds his fire.

3 posted on 11/02/2013 5:45:05 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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When law officers are given the right to pull the trigger and end a person’s life, said officers should be held personally responsible if they made a mistake.

Yes, go after the city, county, state, their CO...whatever, but burn the person that made that split-second decision in error.


4 posted on 11/02/2013 5:45:47 AM PDT by moovova
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“Cops and robbers” at 13? I wonder if the kid was mentally retarded? By 13 I was way past the toy gun stage.


5 posted on 11/02/2013 5:46:16 AM PDT by JoeDetweiler
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He forgot to mention two things : 1. Under the Constitution , citizen have the right to keep and bear arms. Implied in that right is the right to bear them outside of one's abode. 2. Under that same Constitution, citizens have the right to be considered innocent until proven guilty. No police officer when I was young would done what this deputy did. Because many were the day that ,in the evening, walking down the road headed home carrying my .22 rifle , one will drive up behind me in his patrol car and ask, "Where are you headed?" Me: "Home" Him: "How far do you live?" Me: About a mile from here." Him: "I'm going that way, get in the car and I will drop you off." The police then were actually your friends. You could talk and associate with them. We never feared the police.

This is not the case now. Now I avoid contact with them like the plague.

12 posted on 11/02/2013 6:01:30 AM PDT by sport
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Wrongful death claims filed against county by Lopez’s parents

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/wrongful-death-claims-filed-against-county/nbfjg/

The three wrongful death claims state Lopez was unarmed, posed no risk of threat to the deputies or others and was shot without cause or provocation.

The claims also allege the use of force was condoned by the sheriff’s office.

“The Sheriff’s department’s training encourages deputies to prematurely shoot suspects who pose no threat or danger to deputies or the public at large,” the claims state.

It also is alleged the sheriff’s office failed to develop and implement policies, procedures and training regarding the use of deadly force and proper tactics for pedestrian stops.

“As a result of the absences of these policies, procedures and training, the deputies involved in the underlying incident were not prepared to safely deal with the circumstances and improperly used unnecessary and unreasonable force against Andy Lopez Cruz,” the claims state.

The sheriff’s office also is accused of negligently hiring and retaining the two deputies, who the claims state “have had prior incidents of excessive force,” and of failing to properly discipline them or terminate their employment. Both deputies are on paid administrative leave.

Goldstein said the allegations are “hyperbole that does a disservice to the dialogue in the community that is trying to understand what happened.”


19 posted on 11/03/2013 5:33:54 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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