Cruz says he is a US citizen 'by birth' despite being born in Canada

FOXNEWS.com ^ | October 28, 2013 | unknown

[txrangerette]

Cruz said in an interview with Fusion that because his mother is an American citizen he is a citizen as well.

"I was a U.S. Citizen by birth and beyond that I'm going to leave it to others to worry about...legal consequences", he said.

[Kevmo]

I agree with Jim Robinson, the owner of this site on this issue.
***Then you think an unconstitutional election should be called?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/2162695/posts?page=199#199

[Kevmo]

Pathetic troll tactics, madam.
***ButterD was a regular on the Certifigate threads, defending the constitution when it mattered and a communist usurper was driving the enforcement abrogation loophole with SCOTUS. Where were you at that time, troll?

[Kevmo]

I’ll reiterate it’s absolutely INSANE to turn these recently invented fringe legal theories on Cruz.
***Recently invented? We hashed out the NBC definition 5 years ago. Where were you when it mattered, when a communist usurper was evacuating on the constitution?

[Kevmo]

The real problem that we have is that the judiciary is claiming they don’t need to rule - that it’s nobody’s business and nobody is being harmed by us not having any answers.
***A hole in the system. The only way such things get patched up is when some big-money interest is at stake.

[Plummz]

for the record, Vattel was French

For the record, Vattel was not French. This claim is factually incorrect.

Vattel wrote in French because that was the language of statecraft. Frankly, anyone who can't read French is too illiterate to have an informed opinion on this matter.

[Plummz]

I understand you not wanting it decided by a court. That’s a very scary prospect, given what the courts have been willing to do on a variety of issues. I’ve said many times that I was afraid the court would screw things up. Roberts is compromised; nothing is secure with him in there.

But I truly don’t think we have any way of keeping it from the courts. All it would take is for Hillary to challenge in court, and there would be automatic standing and a “case” that the courts would HAVE to decide.

I sometimes wonder if Obama's identity hasn't already been hashed out in the FISA Court. They could have found that Obama is natural born due to his American father Frank Marshall Davis. I can see SCOTUS being aware of such a ruling and therefore refusing to hear any Obama eligibility case.

[freepersup]

Why don’t you enlighten us then, with a French interpretation at every turn. Forgive my illiteracy... it’s unintentional and I concede, my opinions henceforth are irrelevant.

[Nero Germanicus]

It is Congress, not the Supreme Court that qualified the President-Elect by certifying his Electoral votes without filing any written objections. It only takes one Representative and one Senator to file written objections to the certification of any state’s electors for the certification process to be stopped while both Houses of Congress adjourn to consider the basis for the objection and then vote on the objection.
In January, 2005 Representative Stephanie Tubbs-Jones (D-OH) and Senator Barbara Boxer (D-CA) filed written objections with the President of the Senate, Vice President Dick Cheney to the certification of George W. Bush’s Ohio electors on grounds of voter fraud. Both Houses of Congress adjourned to their chambers, considered the objections and voted to reject them.
Obama’s electors were certified unanimously in 2008 and in 2012. He qualified under the 12th Amendment when his electoral votes reached the 270 needed for a majority.

[Nero Germanicus]

Yes, we shall.

Palin/Cruz 2016

[xzins]

Vattel was Swiss, and I assume from the French speaking portion of it.

Someone should have told Blackstone he was supposed to be writing in French.

Nonetheless, Vattel did not use the expression “natural born citizen” ever.

[xzins]

Look at #890 and look at who is mentioned and who is not pinged.

:>)

[xzins]

I understand your reluctance to participate in Cruz eligibility threads. It’s a Damocles sword endeavor for those honestly struggling with his eligibility. FR’s the best place to discuss it and the worst place to discuss it.

The good in it is:

1. Getting at the facts and the best way to present them.

2. Honing our swords in case the democrats attack, IF Cruz decides to declare candidacy.

3. Identifying those who are trolls on the subject instead of searchers.

[mdmathis6]

If Ted Cruz runs, the Dems better say nothin’ about eligibility.

[xzins]

If he doesn’t qualify, the 20th says that they’ll continue until one does qualify. I assume that means either there’ll be a new election or the electoral college will meet again. It would help if it just said that.

[justiceseeker93]

Obama was QUALIFIED by the SCOTUS under the 20th amendment due to their own abrogation of responsibility.

I agree that the SCOTUS abrogated its responsibility in refusing to hear any of the Obama constitutional eligibility cases in which they denied certiorari from lower courts. But, unless I'm missing something, the SCOTUS never invoked the 20th Amendment in those cases. They didn't have to because the cases never came before them. There were no SCOTUS opinions written on the Obama eligibility issue.

[Kevmo]

The presumption for a new election would be that no one ran against the pres-elect who didn’t qualify. Not very likely, but if so, then Congress would have to step in (later on in the paragraph). So, if Obama were disqualified, Romney would have been “qualified”.

[Fred Nerks]

I’m an Aussie, my take is probably somewhat off-beat, but I see this situation as a classic Catch22. Natural Born isn’t defined in your Constitution, so he’s assumed to be an NBC until such time as proven otherwise. Show the court his naturalization documents, and you’ve got a foreigner. But your privacy laws prevent access without his permission. That’s why his past is in lock-down.
Accessing his files without his permission would be conducting a criminal act and he would still not be accountable, and no one knows this better than his buddy Ayres: ‘Guilty as sin, free as bird’.

[Kevmo]

Precisely. They didn’t rule because they abrogated their responsibility. Choosing not to rule on a case is the same as upholding a lower court ruling. Abrogation, indecision, simply not doing their FReeping job. As a result, our republic was lost in 2008. We are witnessing its death throes now. Like a warrior who receives a spear in the belly, it takes a while for him to die. But the wound itself is fatal to our constitutional republic.

[xzins]

I don't think it would have worked that way. You don't elevate a loser to victor status.

If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.

"the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified" sounds to me like a new election. I can't imagine any party agreeing to a losing party being declared the winner.

[Kevmo]

Natural Born isn’t defined in your Constitution
***For the first hundred years or so of the republic, the definition was obvious on the face of it. Just like the word “arms” is not defined, as mentioned upthread. There are dozens of terms “undefined” but their meaning was plain as day.