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Police Clarify Toy Shop 'Gun' Claim ('Revolutionary Raid')
Express ^ | Fri, October 25, 2013

Posted on 10/26/2013 9:31:42 AM PDT by nickcarraway

Police chiefs today defended raiding a toy model shop and claiming they may have found the UK's first ever 3D printed firearm.

The seizure, initially described as "a really significant discovery", was part of a much-heralded crackdown on organised crime, Operation Challenger, launched by Greater Manchester Police (GMP).

But hours later it emerged GMP may have jumped the gun, releasing a second statement about the raid in which Assistant Chief Constable Steve Heywood said: "We need to be absolutely clear that, at this stage, we cannot categorically say we have recovered the component parts for a 3D gun."

The 38-year-old pony-tailed shop-owner was released on police bail an hour after answering questions by officers over the alleged "gun" parts. He has tearfully protested his innocence.

Police say the raid was "not a fishing expedition" and carried out after they received "intelligence" about the shop.

The 3D printer and other "gun" parts are now being examined by firearms experts.

A press conference called by police today to discuss the success of the week-long Operation Challenger was largely taken up by questions over the 3D gun.

Mr Heywood told reporters: "This is a good news story about us tackling organised crime in Greater Manchester.

"The publicity was around Operation Challenger, a by-product has been the significant interest in the 3D printer."

Police raided the model-making shop in Manchester yesterday, confiscating the 3D printer, and hours later told the media that officers had seized what they suspected to be a 3D plastic magazine and trigger which could be fitted together to make a viable 3D gun.

But speaking on condition of anonymity, shop owner "Andrew" said the supposed trigger and magazine for bullets were actually parts of the printer - which he uses to make models.

Mr Heywood added: "What we are trying to do is determine, with forensic experts, whether they are component parts of a firearm.

"We have done what I think members of the public would expect us to do. We have turned up at a workshop and found some suspicious items.

"We will get these items forensically examined and make a determination with the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) whether any offences have happened.

"We will go through a proper investigative process.

"We are just doing our job."

A source close to the investigation said a blueprint to make a gun has been recovered in the raid.

Andrew said he has made a toy model gun and claims officers took a model Smith and Wesson gun he was making - which is an "executive toy" and fires rubber bands.

In tears, he said: "I'm angry, disappointed and hurt. This could kill me, this could threaten the business.

"I was sat here yesterday morning and I saw police officers coming to the door. I just thought it was a customer. We have officers who are customers.

"They came in and said 'we have got a warrant to search this premises'.

"They accused me of making gun parts."

Presented with the "trigger" and "magazine", he explained that one was a spool and the other another part of the printer, to which he said the officer replied: "Oh! OK."

He was released on bail an hour later.

He went on: "Then I suddenly found out all this is going on in the news. They are off their heads. It's 100% bollocks! I'm not making anything illegal.

"I can understand them doing their jobs. I just think they have gone over the top.

"To do an investigation, fine. To label them as gun parts is absolutely ridiculous."

The printer, along with a laser cutter, makes anything from cake decorations to toy skulls for Goth teenagers.

Andrew added: "I think it's the future. If people want something, I can make it for them. Not many people do this, it's a niche market. I hope it's going to take off as a business.

"I'm not making anything illegal.

"I just want my stuff back so I can get on with my business."

Police said it would be "some days" before experts decided whether the parts found at the shop were actually components of a firearm.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: 3d; banglist; guncontrol; guns; printing; secondamendment

1 posted on 10/26/2013 9:31:42 AM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: Revolting cat!
"But hours later it emerged GMP may have jumped the gun"


2 posted on 10/26/2013 9:36:03 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
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To: nickcarraway

Oh, brother


3 posted on 10/26/2013 9:36:07 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: nickcarraway

This story is getting amusing.

Police seize parts for ‘Britain’s first 3D gun’ in raid
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3083809/posts

3-D gun raid in UK may have nabbed printer parts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3083922/posts


4 posted on 10/26/2013 9:36:39 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (If global warming exists I hope it is strong enough to reverse the Big Government snowball)
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To: nickcarraway
Hell it's almost the shape of a gun ... good enough to get a kindergartener thrown out of school and charged with a felony in THIS country.
5 posted on 10/26/2013 9:38:11 AM PDT by knarf (`)
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To: nickcarraway

Looks like that thing my cat puked up this morning. Is my cat going to jail? Won’t have to buy cat food tonight, maybe.


6 posted on 10/26/2013 9:46:48 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: nickcarraway

If the British police are that concerned over a part that may not even be for a gun, they would have a cow over my collection.


7 posted on 10/26/2013 10:01:09 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (From time to time the.tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots.)
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To: nickcarraway

Yessir, what you have there is the frammis from a actual 3D thinghickey. You add it to the canooter valve and interference fit that to the muffler bearing from a common household screw hammer and you got a mass murdering assault torpedo. You’ll have to cross thread it all together but any teenager in the third grade can do that.


8 posted on 10/26/2013 10:02:06 AM PDT by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: EandH Dad

ahem. Muffler thrush bearing.


9 posted on 10/26/2013 10:05:43 AM PDT by patton (“Really? Have you tried chewing cloves?”)
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To: patton

I knew that. I just didn’t want to give away any National Secrets.


10 posted on 10/26/2013 10:14:30 AM PDT by EandH Dad (sleeping giants wake up REALLY grumpy)
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To: nickcarraway
Looks deadly. A small child might choke on it.

Doesn't look like it's going to shoot anyone though...

11 posted on 10/26/2013 10:16:00 AM PDT by InABunkerUnderSF (Because 2 terms with Jerry Brown as Governor was all I could take.)
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To: nickcarraway
I have to admit that I would love to buy a 3d printer. The inexpensive types within my budget are actually not particularly useful for making gun parts. The tensile strength and durability of the plastic pieces from inexpensive printers really are not suitable for gun parts.

This is just so silly... What is the point??? If someone wants to make a hokey gun quickly from inexpensive pieces it is much easier to just go to the hardware store and buy the appropriately sized pipe and fittings and put a rudimentary gun in a few minutes that will be better than any printed gun. Plans for that type of weapon have been available for centuries.


12 posted on 10/26/2013 10:21:16 AM PDT by fireman15 (Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
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To: nickcarraway

5 mm X 2.5 mm? That’s too small for a trigger. Sure isn’t a magazine How stupid are the cops?


13 posted on 10/26/2013 10:29:44 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (On the evening of 10/16/13, the ailing republican party breathed its last breath.)
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To: nickcarraway

“crackdown on organised crime”

so they raid a toy store.

They deliberately and intentionally leave guns in the hands of violent criminals, and strive to take them away from honest, law-abiding non-violent citizens.


14 posted on 10/26/2013 10:42:42 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible traitors. Complicit in the destruction of our country.)
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To: I want the USA back

bump

A government that is sending arms to Al Qaeda in Syria and supports the Muslim Brotherhood and sends weapons into Mexico to drug lords is taking away our guns.

Does this not seem a bit ominous to the sheeple? Then again, they probably don’t even know


15 posted on 10/26/2013 10:45:20 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: Conspiracy Guy

bump


16 posted on 10/26/2013 10:46:32 AM PDT by GeronL
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To: EandH Dad

It won’t work without the disgromulator.


17 posted on 10/26/2013 11:04:30 AM PDT by ken in texas
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To: ken in texas

Don’t forget the pipe stretcher.

They’re handy for making full length rifles from carbines.


18 posted on 10/26/2013 11:33:48 AM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik
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To: nickcarraway

Pretty sure if they’d looked under his kitchen sink they’d have found enough components for creating a chemical weapon. How did they miss that?


19 posted on 10/26/2013 11:55:18 AM PDT by brityank (The more I learn about the Constitution, the more I realise this Government is UNconstitutional !!)
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