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Dead Man Walking
The Ne England Journal of Medicine ^ | October 23, 2013 | Michael Stillman, M.D., and Monalisa Tailor, M.D.

Posted on 10/26/2013 9:28:04 AM PDT by Praxeologue

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To: Kennard

Mr. Davis didn’t qualify for Medicaid but they’re saying with Obamacare he would qualify for Medicaid? How messed up is that?


41 posted on 10/26/2013 12:27:26 PM PDT by jodster36
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To: Holly_P

Ping.


42 posted on 10/26/2013 12:41:16 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: 43north
This article is from one of the most liberal medical organizations in the country so I would expect this kind of misleading story.

The author of the article:

Dr. Michael D. Stillman moved from Boston to Louisville when his partner, Dr. Steve R. Williams, a neurological surgeon, took a position at the University of Louisville School of Medicine. They sold their Boston condominium at 300 Boylston, Suite 609, across from the Public Garden, for $2,150,000.

43 posted on 10/26/2013 12:49:39 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard
They both worked full time jobs but chose not to purchase insurance. Why? Did their employers not offer anything?

Did they choose to spend their money on something else? Did they have cable, cell phones, smoke, drink, gamble?

A high deductible, catastrophic policy would have been relatively inexpensive.

Hospitals have charity care to help those who meet income guidelines.

Need a lot more info before believing this.

This steaming pile is purely an emotional justification for wealth redistribution.

44 posted on 10/26/2013 3:19:06 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Kennard
"His examination, laboratory tests, and CT scan had cost him $10,000 (his entire life savings), and at evening's end he'd been sent home with a diagnosis of metastatic colon cancer."

He had money to purchase insurance but chose not to.

45 posted on 10/26/2013 3:28:13 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: vaudine
The man had 10,000 savings

Yeah, I thought that was strange, too. Ten grand saved but no insurance?

46 posted on 10/26/2013 3:36:25 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: kanawa

In the past hospitals used to just eat it if someone could not pay ( so with rising prices we all paid) not that bad a deal if you think about it
They did not turn people away at emergency rooms.

Who knows what will happen now?


47 posted on 10/26/2013 3:50:10 PM PDT by woofie
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To: Kennard
"He and his wife had been chronically uninsured despite working full time."

"Mr. Davis was poor and ineligible for Kentucky Medicaid."

These are the two key phrases of the article. This man is the "working poor".

Something does need to be done to address these issues, but the answer is NOT the British health system- where the results for this man would have been the same.

And from what I've been hearing Obamacare is worse than Britain's NHS, if that's even possible.

48 posted on 10/26/2013 3:58:17 PM PDT by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: Kennard

Well isn’t that special? Are they going to have a baby soon? Which one will be the mom?


49 posted on 10/26/2013 4:39:09 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Kennard

Tax payers spent over a Billion dollars to enrich a Bunch of Michelle Obamas Friends who wrote a web site that doesnt work,The Obamas spent more than a Billion on their travel last year,the IRS said the other day Billions are sent to people who dont deserve earned income tax credit payments every year and they are not going to challenge them because they dont want to discourage people who are qualified for the payments,Obama paid Billions to Solyndra and other Green companies that went bankrupt.Now How many poor and indigent people could have been helped without this Obamacare disaster,surely in the richest and Most compassionate country on the planet we can afford to help all the Mr.Davis individuals to get help without the A-Holes in Washington making a Crap heap out of the Medical system. Dont forget after Obamacare is fully implemented there will still be 30 million Mr. Davis people WITHOUT Health Insurance,This is how you answer the Crap coming from Communists.
In addition I dont know what this person is Talking about because if Mr. Davis is over 40 years old he will not get his care anyway,because the person Ezekiel Emmanuel,author of Obamacare,and also author of The “Complete Lives System”which states that only People between the ages of 15 and 40 will get money spent on them for care,anyone over 40 has already had their ration of Quality of life years,those under 15 will get no care because they have not contributed enough to society to garner any concern. To read more of the Compassion this supposed expert who is trying to garner support for a Monstrous Health system that 95 percent of the American people are not even aware of, Google “Complete Lives System”,Ezekiel Emmanuel and read it for yourself.
THIS IS HOW YOU FIGHT THIS CRAP,WITH THE FACTS,INFORM YOURSELF AND THEN INFORM OTHERS THE TRUTH


50 posted on 10/26/2013 5:33:38 PM PDT by ballplayer
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To: 43north

<< Well isn’t that special? Are they going to have a baby soon? Which one will be the mom?>>

What interest group has abnormally high health care costs and would therefore want government to fund their health care?

http://www.home60515.com/4.html


51 posted on 10/26/2013 6:47:11 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard

Um, the ones who have contracted just about every sexually transmitted disease known resulting in the destruction of their immune systems and the “final solution” of HIV infection? Is that the group you are referring to?


52 posted on 10/26/2013 6:50:52 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: Kennard

I have a military veteran patient who shall of course remain anonymous.

Three years ago he was diagnosed with rectal carcinoma. The tumor was surgically removed and radiation and chemotherapy were recommended to give him the best chance for survival. All of this would be performed through the VA at no cost to him.

He refused further treatment and has spent the time since his surgery obsessively scouring the Internet for the elusive “natural” cure. His cancer has returned and he is now obstructed just like the man in this fanciful story. He will die soon.

Maybe the man in this story made the same choice and that fact was completely omitted because it didn’t fit the libtard narrative.


53 posted on 10/26/2013 6:59:39 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: 43north
Um, the ones who have contracted just about every sexually transmitted disease known resulting in the destruction of their immune systems and the “final solution” of HIV infection? Is that the group you are referring to?

Gee, if we can figure that out, why can't everyone?

I've also learned that Stillman has been an active supporter of Obamacare for its inception.

The article is biased political lobbying masquerading as medical scholarship.

54 posted on 10/26/2013 6:59:43 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard

They also want fedgov to find a cure for HIV so there are no consequences for their perversions.


55 posted on 10/26/2013 7:03:39 PM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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To: 43north
He refused further treatment and has spent the time since his surgery obsessively scouring the Internet for the elusive “natural” cure. His cancer has returned and he is now obstructed just like the man in this fanciful story. He will die soon.

This is similar to Steve Jobs' refusal of conventional treatment for his unique form of pancreatic cancer.

Your scenario sounds more plausible: Occam's Razor.

56 posted on 10/26/2013 7:09:51 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: Kennard

Get back to me when Obama and the rest fore-go their taxpayer provided luxury healthcare and join the rest of us.


57 posted on 10/26/2013 7:19:03 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse
Get back to me when Obama and the rest fore-go their taxpayer provided luxury healthcare and join the rest of us.

Exactly. Moralize to us about health care for all when you accept the same for yourself and your family.

58 posted on 10/26/2013 7:31:18 PM PDT by Praxeologue
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To: 43north
Three years ago he was diagnosed with rectal carcinoma. The tumor was surgically removed and radiation and chemotherapy were recommended to give him the best chance for survival. All of this would be performed through the VA at no cost to him.

To be fair, my VA doctor wanted to put me on Statins for cholesterol. I argued with her and insisted on using diet and exercise. Later, she told me she never said this before but I made the right choice. My bad levels dropped 50 points and she told me to keep on with what I was doing.

That said, if it were a tumor I'd get it cut out (if possible).

59 posted on 10/26/2013 7:38:44 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

You are blessed if you are healthy enough to exercise your cholesterol away.

The human body’s warranty expires at age 45 and weight-bearing joints are usually the first parts to experience problems. This restricts a lot of people from being able to exercise.

There are others who have genetically elevated lipids who can eat rabbit food and jog 6 miles per day and they still have sky high levels.

These are the people who should be taking statins if needed.


60 posted on 10/27/2013 10:50:29 AM PDT by 43north (BHO: 50% black, 50% white, 100% RED)
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