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To: Tammy8
I think there's an abyss between hyperbole and reality. The reality is, more persons without any spiritual foundation are taking positions of leadership and responsibility. I don't think anyone would argue that. I also think that the missteps in the church of North America hasn't helped the issue: and the result is people are left with pop culture to define the church, because we are busy fighting the wrong battles. And then we allow morons to be elected.

So under that backdrop, it isn't (or shouldn't) be surprising that when speaking on the topic of INSIDER THREATS (that is the correct technical term that is being used right now) in the military, the biblically-challenged can't distinguish who's-who-in-the-zoo. Thus, it manifests itself in what we are seeing. And I will go a further and state there are some in the military will go to great lengths to deride Christians because it assuages their guilt and innate sense of a pending judgment. Those are in the vast minority, but they seem to get a lot of mileage in the press.

But I don't see, and we have not arrived at the point, where the Department of the Army, or any other service is winking and nodding, or putting together curriculum that would include Christians as targets of concern. So I must reject that notion. The evidence just isn't there.

Don't get me wrong, we've lost a lot of philosophical arguments because we are lazy, and we don't flex out political muscles. I guarantee you that had the churches unified in specific districts and states, and moved this issue to front of the line: there would be a Congressional hearing and subsequent investigation by the respective Inspector Generals from each service. Particularly in light of the upcoming November elections.

But that didn't happen. We do a lot of whining here on FR. What we should be doing is marshalling for a fight, and put our elective representatives on notice that we hold the keys to their political success or failure.

The church needs to dress-right-dress, and learn how to fight once more with Christian rhetoric. But that is another discussion altogether.

I do not think (wait for it, here's the big finale) that this will be achieved by any other method short of what we saw in 1978, the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerancy (1978). The biblical principal is this: unification. Paul wrote extensively on it. We are not unified, so we shouldn't be shocked that our influence is dissipating.

97 posted on 10/26/2013 6:02:27 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: Salvavida

Yes, we have lost a lot of ground. A lot of that, I think, is because we are not political organizations and don’t want to become political organizations. Satan has his 2 beasts and is attacking us through both - the religious beast and the political beast. We are trying to live our lives keeping the focus on God and what He says. It’s difficult to do that AND fight the political battles. The more time and energy you spend doing the one, the less time you spend on the other. So do we focus on serving our families and communities and teaching them the Word of God, or do we focus on publicly confronting the lies flying all around us? It’s a tough call.

It looks like there are training manuals that list Christian evangelicals and Catholics as religious extremists. In the posts shortly after yours somebody posted a page from a training guide and a photo of soldiers looking at a screen about the AFA. So it sure seems like this is happening with the approval of the military.


105 posted on 10/26/2013 11:07:10 AM PDT by butterdezillion (Free online faxing at http://faxzero.com/ Fax all your elected officials. Make DC listen.)
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To: Salvavida
But I don't see, and we have not arrived at the point, where the Department of the Army, or any other service is winking and nodding, or putting together curriculum that would include Christians as targets of concern. So I must reject that notion. The evidence just isn't there.

Pentagon Training Manual: White Males Have Unfair Advantages

Be sure to take a look at the Student Guide (page 184): POWER AND PRIVILEGE

124 posted on 11/01/2013 4:50:06 PM PDT by Half Vast Conspiracy (Proportionally, Ft. Hood is to Ft. Worth as Washington Navy Yard is to Arlington, VA.)
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