Boehner: More people will lose insurance under Obamacare than sign up in exchanges

Washington Times ^ | October 23, 2013 | Stephen Dinan

[Cincinatus' Wife]

House Speaker John A. Boehner predicted Wednesday that by the end of the month, more Americans will have lost their insurance by being kicked off existing health plans than the number who were able to sign up in the flawed online healthcare.gov website.

[SoConPubbie]

The House has passed 40 anti-Obamacare bills.

Symbolic resolutions/bills/votes at best.

They have the power of the purse and could have defunded it at any time but lacked the backbone, guts, courage, will, whatever, to do it.

Those 40 bills are absolutely useless and are representative of the Collaberators game they are playing, say a lot of things to fool the rubes/conservatives at home to get their votes, but refuse to do what they know will actually fix the problem.

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Talk is cheap, Boner.

[SoConPubbie]

If you kept up with current affairs, you would know that he did vote to defund Obmacare. The bill passed the House.

Wow, a single vote.

Too bad when Ted Cruz stood up willing to take all the arrows, accusations, and bad-mouthing from BOTH the Democrats/Republicans, Boehner faded into the woodwork.

He is supposed to be the leader of the House.

Where was the communication on this issue?

Where was the whipping his side of the house into line?

Why the secret negotiations with the Whitehouse to allow his support staff to opt-out of Obamacare?

In short, where was the leadership?

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You can de-fund it...and then what kind of legislation will you get thru the Senate to turn it back to the free market.

TORT reform, Medicare reform, transactions across state lines...NONE will pass.

So insurance companies will still continue to drop people because the ACA mandates will STILL BE IN PLACE...just not funded.

Makes no sense.

[SoConPubbie]

You can de-fund it...and then what kind of legislation will you get thru the Senate to turn it back to the free market. TORT reform, Medicare reform, transactions across state lines...NONE will pass.

So insurance companies will still continue to drop people because the ACA mandates will STILL BE IN PLACE...just not funded.

Makes no sense.

You do what you can do when you can do it.

By doing so, you rally conservatives and Republicans to your side, thereby setting up landslide victories.

As a leader, you DO NOT tout what you have done when you have done, in reality, next to nothing.

John Boehner has done next to nothing. In fact, he has materially harmed the GOP Brand by his feckless, cowardly leadership.

He, and those in his corner, are nothing but Collaborators.

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That is the real truth. I was following all the news.

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By doing so, you rally conservatives and Republicans to your side, thereby setting up landslide victories.

If you defund Obamacare and at the same time can't get legislation thru that releases insurance companies from ACA mandates this increases the problem.

That's the sure way to lose the House, not win more seats.

If you are going to defund, you have to have some realistic reforms ready to pass into law to fix the problems.

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If you defund Obamacare and at the same time can't get legislation thru that releases insurance companies from ACA mandates this increases the problem.

That's the sure way to lose the House, not win more seats.

Sorry, but I doubt that.

And furthermore, even if it was true, it does nothing to release John Boehner from his feckless, cowardly leadership.

He has caved on almost every single issue, all the time saying symbolic, worthless statements and doing things that were also, symbolic and worthless in terms of being an opposition to the Marxist in the White House.

Boehner needs to be retired.

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Sorry, but I doubt that.

If you think independents are going to vote for conservatives for defunding Obamacare with no hope of any reforms making it into law you don't get politics.

It's easy to trash Boehner at every turn. But come up with real ideas that make sense? That's harder to do.

[SoConPubbie]

It's easy to trash Boehner at every turn. But come up with real ideas that make sense? That's harder to do.

It's easy to trash Boehner because of his record.

And alot of those independents are disaffected conservatives who see the lack of conservative leadership in the GOP.

And funding everything BUT Obamcare, which was the original Ted Cruz plan, would have put the whole mess on the Democrats doorstep. But once again, the GOP Leadership was too cowardly.

This leadership problem isn't isolated to Obamacare.

The GOP leadership, from top-to-bottom , has been stuck on symbolic neutral from sometime now.

Instead of acting like the opposition to the Marxist, they've been acting like they are afraid of their shadows or afraid of their big-campaign cash contributors more than their constituents.

Just wait until they try to pass Amnesty.

It's up next...

Like I said before, they're nothing but a bunch of Collaborators.

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You whine about symbolic winning in the House. Boehner did what you wanted and it crashed and burned in the Senate just as many knew it would.

Politics is the art of the possible.

You refuse to to grasp the point

I know conservatives enjoy whining because they are not winning but the simple fact is there is inadequate conservative political power to prevail.

The current battles are but skirmishes, raids against an impenetrable fortress. The real battles will be fought on better ground at a selected time. We can rejoice at the battle on that day when adequate forces are directed at a very narrow defensive point and prevail.

[SoConPubbie]

You whine about symbolic winning in the House. Boehner did what you wanted and it crashed and burned in the Senate just as many knew it would.

You call what Boehner did what the Tea-Party wanted?

Are you serious?

Let me ask you something, if Tom Delay had been Speaker, do you think we would have lost that vote?

If Tom Delay had been speaker, do you think he would have been secretly negotiating for exceptions for his staff for Obamacare?

If someone like Tom Delay had been speaker, do you think that he would have sat on his hands and not communicated the need daily to vote defund Obamacare?

If someone like Ted Cruz had been speaker, do you think this half-assed, half-serious, partial effort that Boehner took to send up individual CRs would have happened?

Please, don't make me laugh.

Boehner hardly did a thing the Tea-Party wanted because his heart wasn't in it.

[SoConPubbie]

Politics is the art of the possible.

You refuse to to grasp the point

No, you enablers of the current status-quo don't get it.

The Tea Party does not want politics, it wants leadership.

You sound like Karl Rove and the rest of the GOP-E Leadership who are more concerned about Strategy, and tailoring their message/policy to where the most votes are verses leading from positions of principle and educating the public, like Reagan did, on why our principles are better then their principles.

Get back to us when your side decides it's more important to lead, verses, testing the political wind with their fingers.

[bert]

The sad fact is that conservatives, even the various Tea Parties, are fragmented. There is no monolith called conservatism. Conservatives are so in love with their own narrow agendas they will not coalesce into a viable focused force capable of winning.

You are correct about needing a leader. There are at least two and perhaps three. Ted and Rand and perhaps Mark. Ted Cruz seems to have the current favor but fickle conservatives might damn him tomorrow for some trivial word outside their narrow minded view.

There was once Sarah but she has proved to be a coy failure. Her present force as a national figure is spent. She can come help others but for the current future her wad is shot. Perhaps in 2024.

Believe it or don’t, I am not a GOPe type. I am however a realist and a rational thinker. So long as the conservatives continue to insist on their on individual agenda with no broad conservative agenda, there can be no winning. I speak with the knowledge gained from being here every day for many years and wittnessing the petty folly.

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It's easy to trash Boehner because of his record.

Yes, but my point is that it's easy to trash someone without offering alternatives.

And de-funding Obamacare while everyone still has to live under the mandates gets innocent people tossed off the roles faster. You do not want to be known for that while elections are around the corner.

And funding everything BUT Obamcare, which was the original Ted Cruz plan, would have put the whole mess on the Democrats doorstep

LOL. You sure have rose-colored glasses. The blame would have been on the GOP and we would have lost the House.

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LOL. You sure have rose-colored glasses. The blame would have been on the GOP and we would have lost the House.

Does it really matter?

THe blame is always on the GOP from the Media and the Democrats.

Why play their game anymore?

The only way that the GOP would have had that blame stick, is if the leadership continued to hide under the rock it has been hiding under for some time now and refused to get out there and fight and point out the truth.

YOu don't win by backing up. Period.

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Believe it or don’t, I am not a GOPe type. I am however a realist and a rational thinker. So long as the conservatives continue to insist on their on individual agenda with no broad conservative agenda, there can be no winning. I speak with the knowledge gained from being here every day for many years and wittnessing the petty folly.

No, you speak from a skewed perspective.

The agenda for the Tea-Pary is a broad agenda and encompasses limited Government, secure borders, and fidelity to the Social Issues.

In short, it is the Reagan agenda part II.

Karl Rove, John Boehner, Mitch McConnel, John McCain, Pete King, etc would also tell you that they were realists and rational thinkers, in fact, if you have been paying attention, that is exactly what they have been saying.

Doesn't mean they are, or that their position or strategy is correct, in fact, it has been shown to be a constant losing strategy.

But hey, you are all realists and rational thinkers, so that must be worth something.

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Does it really matter?

Uh...yes it does very much that we hold the House.

Unless you want Pelosi again writing legislation to allow several trillion more dollars to go to Obamacare, EBT, and all other welfare programs.

YOu don't win by backing up.

And you would back up quite a bit if you elect a Democrat House again.

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Uh...yes it does very much that we hold the House.

Oh please, you know exactly what I was referring to and it was not about holding the House.

It does not matter what the GOP Leadership does, they will be blamed, and you know this.

So tell me again why hiding under a rock, like the current GOP-E Leadership does, is a good thing?

Wouldn't it be better to fight on principle and quit trying to figure out how to defeat a bunch of evil liars at their own game?

Wouldn't it be better to COMMUNICATE why our policy positions are better at every opportunity?

Wouldn't it be better to actually fight concretely vs. making symbolic statements meant to trick the constituents that they are fighting for them, but in reality doing nothing?

We are getting none of this from the current crop of cowardly Collaborators masquerading as Leaders of the GOP, with the exception of Senators Cruz, Lee, and those who have banded together with them.

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Wouldn't it be better to fight on principle

It seems your priority is just to fight. Regardless of the fact that your strategies would lose us the war.

Wouldn't it be better to actually fight concretely

Removing funding for ACA with no hope of injecting free market law at the same time is not fighting concretely.

Instead you would lose whatever power you now hold.

Many conservatives don't get that we have only 1/3 of Gov't with a massively liberal MSM against us as well. Yet, these conservative constantly slam our leaders for not surging ahead.

Very unrealistic thinking which puts us even further behind.