Posted on 10/14/2013 5:31:00 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
It is pretty difficult to mount an offensive when you’re fighting a rear-guard action against those who you thought were allies.
And that’s the position in which conservatives now find themselves. People who want to “go along to get along,” because they want people in DC to like them.
That is a very natural attitude in a pre-modern society. It is a tribal outlook. One of "ours," no matter how destructive to "us," is infinitely better than one of "theirs" no matter how good he is.
You elect a passel of really good conservatives but after the electees are sitting Senators and Representatives much less then that passel are still conservative. How can you possibly win when 85% of your guys turn their coats as soon as they are elected?
The reality of it is that a brand new Congressman learns immediately that his financial future is rosy and assured if he votes "correctly" even if he is not re-elected whereas if he does not vote properly he is limited to what he actually earns.
If Tea Party supporter candidates can't garner more than 3% of the votes, they don't deserve to be on the ballot.
That's one sixth of the votes Ross Perot got...
That, however, has not been true for the last five years, since the executive Department's approach to governing is, "Constitution? What Constitution?"
Third parties are a waste of time. We need to win GOP primaries or we can’t win. End of story.
You have to find candidates who can attract support. Cruz started out with almost no support but he did have some money behind him, including his own. Ditto, Lee and Paul. There are plenty of young guys/gals who are more appealing to the public than the stiffs that the parties put up. But of course, you need a mechanism to recruit them, and they can always be co-opted, as we can see in the case of Ayotte, who is either a fool or acting in bad faith.
The threshold in Germany is 5% to get a seat in the Bundestag. That is a statistically meaningful number.
He is right about Hannity. I have sat in survey forums for his show about a half dozen times. He changes his tone and opinion to fit his bases desire. Pure populist. Not a conservative.
Finally a threat to unite Democrats and Republicans.
wow...
Guess the GOP-e are scared on many levels...
They have been unsuccessful at marginalizing the Tea Party and they now realize they are losing the GOP to the Tea Party and if we break off from the GOP as a real political party...the GOP is over.
WTAM this morning over the past 5 minutes they have been interviewing someone in regards to the shutdown/debt issue. Why is the Senate taking the lead on this?
Answer: Because Boehner can’t control his party in the House due to the extreme conservatives in the Party. Essentially the conversation lead one to realize the stage is being set to call them in open rebellion.
“The Senate has more equilibrium”...
President Bush said during his last days in office, “I destroyed capitalism to save it.” Odd thing to say at the time we all thought.
This morning reading through this thread and listening to the news, pundits etc. Would we ever dare to think ..., “WE have to destroy the United States to save it?”
I don't see a problem with the above, am I missing something?
So you are for this ban, then?
Statism: iss gut, ja?
Of course limbaugh and hannity aren’t going to cross the gop establishment. Take a look at who owns and controls the companies paying them and the radio stations that carry their shows. The bribery usually continues with ghost written books that gop establishment think tanks buy up by the pallet and then dump into the landfill. How people don’t see this game being played is beyond me.
Seriously, folks...if the GOP-e ever got an enema, ohio would be where they stick the funnel.
>> OK.
>> That’s how they want to play, then let’s play.
>> Take over the GOP from the inside. Crucify and destroy anyone who gets in the way. The establishment candidates should be subject to vicious, personal attacks from within the GOP until the establishment is scared of their own party.
YES, DAVE!!!! EXACTLY!!!!
Third parties are inherently fratricidal. If a movement can’t get a plurality of one of the parties, they are never going to win an election; they will only pull votes away from the party whose ideas they most closely resemble.
I oppose this bill on democratic principle, but 3rd parties are lethal to true conservatives, unless one of several possibilities exist:
1. Fusion candidates. If a mainstream party improves itself, the 3rd-party has to hate it all the more to protect its ballot positions. Fusion elections allow multiple parties to support the same candidate, so a conservative can support a good Republican, but do so by voting for a 3rd-party which endorses him.
2. Run-offs. End plurality elections; require the winner to take a majority. Costs can be reduced by allowing voters 2nd choices, eliminating the need for separate run-off elections.
I don’t much care.
It sounds a little onerous but if the end result is that Libertarian candidate, former GOP State Rep. from the 80’s Charlie Earl, isn’t on the ballot to take enough votes away from Kasich to elect the democrat, then I won’t exactly be complaining. If you want to replace Kasich with someone BETTER rather than a democrat then the only option with a success rate above 0% is beating him in the GOP primary. Leaving the party to go Libertarian is adding to the problem.
The Libertarian and Constitution parties have given us plenty of democrat plurality winners and hurt conservative Republicans just as much as RINOs. It’s about to happen in Virginia, and the Republican there is no RINO. On the flip side the Greens help us but they seem to be weak or absent in most states compared to the Libertarians. Nader in 2000 was their one big favor to us (if you consider Bush a favor).
Only in rare cases like that special election in NY is good to have third parties on the right (and the Conservative Hoffman actually was a Republican unlike the RINO traitor Dede Scuzzobama).
I voted Libertarian for a couple offices in IL, against hated RINOs, but they run in every election no matter if the Republican is good or not.
This article is ridiculous, crowing about the “historic” debate between Gary Johnson and Virgil Goode. In our system third parties are a waste of time at best and often counterproductive. GOP primaries are where it’s at. If you want to change the paradigm then we need instant runoff voting like in Australia or a least fusion voting like in NY where third parties can influence the major ones through cross-endorsing.
I strongly believe in runoffs. If we have runoffs, the problem of spoilers magically disappears.
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