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To: Impy; fieldmarshaldj
I never made any comments about myself. I am very close to former staffers who helped get him elected to Congress, and then abandoned him after he wouldn't keep his dick in his pants. The two people running against him for the GOP Senate nomination in 1994 were staffed by people who quit working for him - not only because of his moral indiscretions, but also because he was not a "true conservative." His ego also prevented his former congressional district from becoming a solid Republican district because he left after one term (now in DFL Peterson's hands). And he was such a lightweight that he let that jackass Dayton beat him to lose the Senate seat after one term.

Stop being preening morons and listen to someone who happens to know more about the man than either of you. While it is too bad that he died a horrible death, he does not deserve to be lionized.

17 posted on 10/13/2013 12:09:28 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: GreatOne; Impy; BillyBoy

Look, first of all, I don’t appreciate the personal attack. “Moron” ? I didn’t insult you. I chided you for classless attacks, and now your post goes full-throttle below-the-belt crude and nasty. You don’t like the man ? Fine. I pointed out that his voting record placed him as the best voting member from Minnesota in 6 decades and preceded to outline my case for that. A “moron” wouldn’t know who the Senators from Minnesota were in 1948 or 1968.

Secondly, your indictment of him on how he failed to do this or that is also disingenuous. He defeated a troubled 5 term incumbent in 1992, Democrat Gerry Sikorski, with 44% in a Dem-leaning seat in a multi-candidate field. He was going to have a potentially difficult time since the Democrats pushed new lines for 1994. It was certainly not Grams’s fault that the 6th voted for Democrat Bill Luther over Tad Jude by a narrow margin (no more than it was Rick Santorum’s fault in Pennsylvania when he moved up to the Senate in that same election from the House, and his district elected a Democrat to replace him).

BTW, Colin Peterson is in the Northwest MN 7th district, as he has since 1991, not the 6th (a shocking gaffe for someone accusing others of being a “preening moron”). Rejiggered somewhat, this is now Michele Bachmann’s district.

As for claiming he “let” Dayton beat him in 2000, I might remind you again that Grams won his Senate race in 1994 with 49%, in a pro-GOP year, which meant he was going to have a difficult time regardless. He was constantly and viciously attacked in the media from Jump Street, especially by the Red Star. Dayton merely had to use his limitless fortune to buy the office, which he’s spent his career doing (and as he did in 2010 for the Governorship). Grams couldn’t point a gun at the state electorate in 2000 and “demand” they reelect him. I might remind you again that we lost a number of GOP Senators in 2000, not just Grams.


18 posted on 10/13/2013 12:52:33 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: GreatOne; fieldmarshaldj

You are a terrible person. I hope you felt real superior trashing a dead guy who was on our side on his obit thread. Happy trails.


19 posted on 10/13/2013 11:41:14 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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