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How high will the interest rate increase before our government calls it a deal breaker and refuses to borrow?

That brings up an obvious question, will the government still have a choice but to pay the increased interest.

1 posted on 10/08/2013 3:02:58 PM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: MosesKnows

“How high will the interest rate increase before our government calls it a deal breaker and refuses to borrow?
That brings up an obvious question, will the government still have a choice but to pay the increased interest.

From Wiki on Carter’s failed presidency.
The Federal Reserve board led by Volcker raised the federal funds rate, which had averaged 11.2% in 1979, to a peak of 20% in June 1981. The prime rate rose to 21.5% in 1981 as well.

Obama doesn’t care what the rate is because he’ll just order the fed to print money.


2 posted on 10/08/2013 3:10:58 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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I have heard people are scared of 3.5% on 10 year T-bills. It isn't a case of default, but it would start to be a case be a case that the payments servicing the debt would start crowding out all other spending. We would have to make drastic cuts in pensions, welfare, military, and social security. The 10 year almost got to 3.0%, but then Bernanke chickened out about tapering, when sent rates back lower. But this is more of a question of when, not if, rates finally go higher.

One thing almost everyone in D.C. deliberately misunderstands is how big of a benefit we got out of the gradually lowering interest rates since 1983, and how that is completely gone now. We are at the bottom of the rate curve, and have nowhere to go but up. Yet democrats think that because Obama is in power, he needs a turn to increase the debt, because Reagan and Bush did. But it isn't about fairness and whose turn it is. It is about doing the appropriate thing at the time. Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush could run up the debt and then refinance it later with a lower interest rate. When Obama does it, we will refinance it with higher rates, like an exploding adjustable rate mortgage. The best thing Obama could do would be to reverse what Clinton did. Clinton change the mix of bond maturities to focus on short term bonds with lower interest rates. Obama should change the mix to favor long term bonds, and at least lock in lower rates as much as he can in a rising environment. But he won't, because it is his "turn."

3 posted on 10/08/2013 3:29:25 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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The Interest Rate has been effectively 0 or less for a long time and one of the problems that is discussed by economics commentators is the low level of lending and borrowing. Inflation has been so low as it is because all the money shoveled into the banks goes nowhere.


5 posted on 10/08/2013 3:47:53 PM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's Economics In One Lesson ONLINEhttp://steshaw.org/economics-in-one-lesson/)
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I have heard tales that Fedgov has already had trouble selling treasury notes, and that the Fed has begun buying their own debt, quietly and using straw buyers.

At this point I am not optimistic. I don't believe the current administration can cut spending even if they wanted to. When they can no longer borrow, they'll run the presses. When word gets out that we are monetizing our debt, things will start to happen fast.

6 posted on 10/08/2013 3:55:09 PM PDT by ZOOKER (Until further notice the /s is implied...)
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A factor for devaluation must be included in the equation. So long as the devaluation rate equals or exceeds the interest rate the money is free to the borrower.

The debt total is decreased annually in real $$ more than the interest owed

My view is around 7%. A higher rate of devaluation will not be tolerated for long.


8 posted on 10/08/2013 4:17:07 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Travon... Felony assault and battery hate crime)
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The key consideration is not so much the interest rate as the debt to GDP ratio, with various other factors taken into account. For the US, the dollar’s role as the world’s reserve currency gives us a greater (though not infinite) borrowing capacity.


9 posted on 10/08/2013 4:18:35 PM PDT by Rockingham
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Bonds? Heh, heh, heh.

Repub Sen: We Can Crash Into Debt Limit “Because the Only People Buying Our Bonds Are the Fed Res”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3076162/posts

6% Treasury yields sooner than you think?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3049639/posts

JIM O’NEILL: We Could See A Bond Crash
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3031334/posts

The Treasury Bond Selloff Is ‘For Real’ And The Volume Is Gigantic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3025102/posts

The Fed Owns 31.89% Of The Bond Market: Up 0.3% In One Week
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3060653/posts

Warren Buffett Warns: The Dollar Will Decline. Sells off longer-dated bond holdings.
(older news but still relevant)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2695947/posts


10 posted on 10/08/2013 4:45:12 PM PDT by familyop
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In Carter’s years the mortgage interest rates were past 21% and people still bought. My parents bought at 12% in 1979.


11 posted on 10/08/2013 4:46:48 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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At some point in time in the near future, the dollar will fall like a rock.


12 posted on 10/08/2013 4:47:17 PM PDT by familyop
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