Posted on 09/28/2013 10:26:19 AM PDT by servo1969
Headline at Drudge Report "DELAY OBAMACARE A YEAR OR WE WILL SHUT IT DOWN - BOEHNER MAKES MOVE"
Yes. They're spineless, so it's simply a matter of who they fear more, the media, or the scary Tea Party.
The secret word is, "primaried."
That’s garbage
If Obamacare is truly unpopular in the polls now, then we might even win the PR battle. If Obama has to get up there during a shutdown, he’ll find it hard to avoid admitting the fact that the shutdown is over Obamacare. And if we’ve made it clear that’s the only issue for us, then, removing the personality factors, wouldn’t the public naturally prefer a funded government without Obamacare over a shutdown? If Obamacare is truly unpopular right now. So it would take all Obama’s charisma to turn the public against their natural inclinations. Of course he is good at doing that.
Since when do we have blind loyalty to any Republican? Conservatives like us have shown they’ll primary anyone out who doesn’t tow the line.
That is assured. States will not send representatives. They will send delegates with commissions. For similar reasons, the federal convention of 1787 shared little in common with the existing Continental Congress.
One other difference between now and 95: we were coming off a historic blowout. While this was clearly good, it also meant we had a ton of vulnerable freshman, usually in districts that leaned left. Our ratio of safe to vulnerable is much, much better this time around.
Adding all of these factors together (popular incumbent in a general election vs. off-year; identifiable and impactful reason for a showdown vs. inside baseball battle; depression level economy vs. decent economy in 96), and I think people are putting far to much stock in what happened in 95. That really was a perfect storm, and the worst case scenario. All of the dynamics are much more favorable this time around.
Not saying that it will help the Republicans. Just that any damage should be minor.
Then I jump in and say how can I help.
Won’t matter what door gets opened...ObamaCare is here to stay, high taxes are coming, bankruptcy and economic collapse is coming...
Every person you mentioned in your list...are CAN KICKERS...kicking Obamacare down the road is just more can kicking...
Thank you my friend.
That would have been to let it take effect last year, so that people would be having to enroll just before the 2012 election, and would have to be paying the penalty on their taxes for not enrolling on April, 2014.
But, that's water under the bridge, now. Enrollment this year, along with timely warnings about the penalty for not enrolling in October, 2014, would do the same thing. This will be a great campaign issue next fall:
"You will have to pay a $95/adult and $47.5/child penalty in April, 2015, when you file your taxes if you didn't enroll in Obamacare. In 2016, it will be $325/person. In 2017, it will be $695/per person. If you want to stop this, vote for me."
(It's actually more complicated than that, and there are additional thresholds that are used if they are higher, like 1%, 2%, and 2.5% of your income, in successive years).
This is a huge deal. The Republicans are fumbling away a golden opportunity to say: "We tried to stop it, and now you can see why". No more hypothetical arguments: it's real, and it's happening now.
Nothing new about that. Are you suggesting we start letting what the press says (to their now dwindling audience) forcibly limit how and in what fashion we are able to respond? Obama's breaking laws left and right, but we can't use Constitutionally-protected responses because the media might whine some more?
...the public blamed the Republican party for the shutdown, thanks to the lying SOB's in the media. Those same lying SOB's aren't just in the media anymore - they've intermarried/intermingled with those in power in the White House and Congress. The hatchet job they did on the Republican Party during the last shutdown will pale in comparison to what they'll do this time.
Bring 'em on. As you admitted earlier, a few scars from the media is a small price to pay for getting the policies we need in place. Not to mention I think you're overestimating the power of the mainstream media these days, by claiming they'll do even more damage now, despite the fact their audience numbers, and their influence over them, have by some estimates been cut by 90%.
IMO, this isn't going to be just a PR disaster for the Republican's, it's going to be a slaughter NO MATTER WHAT they do at this point.
In whose eyes are you actually looking at this through? It won't be a slaughter to me, NO MATTER WHAT, or to the tens of millions of other conservatives who support our representative electors finally standing up to the tyranny that's taking place right now. If the media whines a little more than usual, big deal, they've already lost most of their viewers lately anyway, and are only preaching to their own choir.
The biggest problem we have right now, are the defectors in our own ranks, not the typical media wholes who have recently been marginalized.
Yeah....
Look at Rubio and Cronyn...I remember they too were going to be “saviors” too!
BINGO!
I think a shutdown is going to happen, but the Rats are going to discover it will not go well for them. They were convinced the "public" would come around on obamacare by now. The public hasn't and no matter how the media spins it we don't want obamacare.
I have heard those who despair before, Caliban. I don't discount that, either, after being so often betrayed in the past.
But,Don't give up hope. Prayer changes things.
We ought to pray and never to faint.
I have full confidence in Boehner to successfully achieve the golf part of the plan.
I am wondering how great it would be to just shut the government down for a long while. I bet it would be wonderful!
Lets do it!
I was never sold on Rubio. I never got why people praised his speeches. They had too much emotionalism and not enough substance, like an Obama speech. And too much emotionalism tends to correlate with too much liberalism, as we can see with his bleeding heart attitude towards illegal aliens.
Well I’ll be damned.
That’s not factoring in the people who will be subsidized by Obamacare and be getting free checks in the mail. And the media and libs will be trying to spin any increase in health insurance rates in the private sector as being by those greedy capitalist corporations, as they try to march the country along on the road to single payer.
Most likely the Democrat response to any problems with Obamacare will be that we need to give more free health care bennies away to the public and charge them less. Then we’ll get talk of a millionaire’s tax and that sort of thing. As we all know, this rhetoric has gotten traction with the public in the Obama era. So to think we have a slam dunk election if Obamacare gets implements, I sincerely doubt it.
The best seems to be to energize the conservative base by actually achieving concrete results that they want. Romney lost because traditional Republican voters didn’t show up. And we won in 2010 due to an energized base that wanted very specific things done.
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