Expecting ObamaCare's Collapse Is Living In Wonderland

Investors Business Daily ^ | 9/27/2013

[KeyLargo]

Expecting ObamaCare's Collapse Is Living In Wonderland

Posted 09/27/2013 06:52 PM ET

Entitlements: Give Democrats as much ObamaCare rope as they want, then sit back and watch them hang themselves. This advice from some pundits is the kind of thing that will make ObamaCare permanent.

The late, great Bob Bartley, longtime editor of the Wall Street Journal, writing in 1992 in his definitive account of the Reagan prosperity, "The Seven Fat Years," issued a warning about government-controlled health care.

He called it "absolutely true that in the long term we will be unable to control government expenditure if the government keeps assuming new responsibilities."

And Bartley cautioned: "When medical insurance coverage is mandated, experience shows, there is enormous pressure for it to cover more and more services. ... If the government is going to assume or mandate universal health care, we will have to draw a line somewhere. ... If we cannot do this, medical care will grow into a limitless entitlement, defeating any attempt to hold the line on spending and taxes."

[OneWingedShark]

> Examining the “Let It Collapse” Theory

The one thing that makes me leery of this is that there’s a general acceptance of the “too big to fail” excuse — confiscation, as we’ve seen in the War on Drugs, can be used to prop the system up.

[Digger]

There won't be a collapse causing patients and doctors to march from their hospitals to the Capitol. Instead there will be a slow, grinding down to a lower level of care. Older patients will be told "I'm sorry, but there's nothing more we can do for you," except that "can" now means there is no medical treatment will mean "no medical treatment is allowed by the government for you". I expect that any doctor stating that explicitly will soon run into an array of problems, so most will just keep to the simple "nothing can be done". More patients will die of cancer in their old age, more will die of heart disease and the life expectancy will drop by a year or two. The British National Health Service hasn't collapsed. It just isn't very good. And unlike Canada, there are no escape valves to the south... at least until Obamacare drives out so much of our quality that a Tijuana doctor looks like a good alternative.

You are right on. People keep saying here, when is enough enough? The USSR had to collapse. The sheeple didn't rebel. When the jackbooted thugs came for them they went thinking that nice talk would save them. We are the same here. But not the Muzzies. Just as the commies have infiltrated these Muzzies are on the march. This nation will be torn apart sooner rather than later. BTW I'm getting dentistry done in Mexico. Just as good with great savings.

[boxlunch]

http://www.conventionofstates.com/

That’s why we need the Liberty Amendments.

We can do an end run around Congress and via the states, enact term limits for Congress, Supreme Court judges, and a slew of other stuff to limit the federal government. It’s a movement that can come from the states where we actually have at a least a little more fighting chance of making a difference.

I urge to check into it and if it sounds good to you get involved.

[Ann Archy]

THAT is EXACTLY what I have been saying for a month....THANK YOU!!!! You could also change it to "I see you don't Vote for Democrats or give them MONEY"....it's going to be independents also that won't get the care that Democrats will get.

Our country is where it's at and falling even further because of 55 MILLION DEAD BABIES....GAY EVRYTHING,EVERYWHERE, and we have kicked GOD out of our country!!

NOTHING WILL EVER BE GOOD IN THIS COUNTRY AGAIN TIL WE CHANGE OUR HEARTS.

[Intolerant in NJ]

It’s designed to collapse - so we can go to a single-payer system...and redistribute still more wealth......

[1010RD]

Spot on.

[jmacusa]

I know. Back in the late ‘70s my late mother went back to nursing school( she had been studying nursing before she got married) and got her RN. She was working in our local hospital and got to know another nurse who had recently been to Russia when it was the U.S.S.R on a kind of exchange nursing student project and was telling my mother how God awful medical facilities and hospitals were. Dirty, dilapidated, medical equipment that should have been in a museum( who knows, might have even came from one.) doctors and nurses who didn’t seem to know too much about their field or even care. In one instance she said she saw a doctor use regular thread to stitch a wound. Such was the state of health care and medicine in ‘’The Workers Paradise’’. This is our fate if Obamacare kicks in for good.

[jmacusa]

We had a health care system alright, a good one. My late mother was an RN. Democrats f’ed it up.

[cynwoody]

In 1965, the government guaranteed that the taxpayers would pay all reasonable and necessary (possibly useful) medical bills, without limit, for persons over 65.

At the time, persons over 65 did not consume a lot of medical services. One of the reasons was that the market had not yet created:

Artificial joints, fiberoptic endoscopes, CT scanning, MRI, renal dialysis, implantable defibrillators, mobile coronary care units, cloned human proteins to dissolve clots, microsurgery, proton beam radiation and the gamma knife, chemotherapy for common cancers, implantable lenses and safe cataract removal, and so on and so on.

Not a single one of these things would have been developed as a commercial product without the government promise that the taxpayers would pay all bills without limit.

That's one crappy argument against Gubmint Health Care. You are making an argument for why we need the government, not why we don't. You seem to think health care is a space shot! You probably think NASA did this!

The logical conclusion from your argument is that we need more Gubmint, not less, that Single Payer will solve all our problems, since only the government knows how to develop new technology. Remember, when ZeroCare falls on its face, Single Payer is what Obama, Reid, and Pelosi will propose as the fix. That's been their plan all along.

The correct argument to make is that the medical technologies you list would not only have been created, but would be dirt cheap, but for the involvement of the government. Why is there one cost curve for smart phones and another for health care?

[BunnySlippers]

D*mn this jerk for telling me I could keep my beloved doctor of DECADES! He lied!!!

[Don Corleone]

The Communists in Russia consolidated their power by creating a health care system where not had previously existed. Something to think about.

It is now and always has been a tenet of the Marxist platform. That level of control over the population is defining.

[jmacusa]

''Everyone needs medicine’’ Lenin said. The Nazis took over Germany's health care system. The Chinese Communists did and the Ba’ath Party in Iraq and Syria did also. And eliminating the right to own a firearm too. For that matter so did the Brits when they nationalized their health care system during WW2, they just kept it that way. And they've disarmed themselves too.