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Females begin infantry training at all-male school
Stars and Stripes ^ | 9/26/2013 | Thomas Brennan

Posted on 09/26/2013 6:04:05 PM PDT by markomalley

The former all-male Infantry Training Battalion East issued its first combat load to 15 female Marines to research gender integration in combat specialties.

The Marine Corps announced Wednesday the arrival of 19 females to the battalion. Of that group, four have voluntarily withdrawn. The group will train with Delta Company. It is the first of 17 groups to train at the battalion in the next year. The Corps' goal is for at least 300 females to attend through August 2014.

In January, former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta overturned a policy prohibiting females in combat specialties. Panetta's decision mandates full integration by 2016.

Leon Pappa, the lead investigator overseeing research for the Marine Corps' training and education command at Headquarters Marine Corps, said females will endure 59 days of basic rifleman and infantryman instruction, during a media telephone interview Wednesday.

"There will be no standards changed for this research," he added.

Infantry Training Battalion has five training companies and is among three schools making up the School of Infantry East, which trains 17,600 students annually. ITB trains infantry and Marine Combat Training Battalion trains non-infantry Marines. The Advanced Infantry Training Battalion trains Marine leaders in advanced infantry tactics.

During recruit training at Parris Island, S.C., 114 females were screened with fitness test scores. Of the 42 qualified females, 19 volunteered.

"Volunteers not meeting the standards will receive the same remediation as their male counterparts," Pappa said. "A volunteer may recycle to a follow-on company no more than once to complete the ... periods of instruction."

At Parris Island, the females learn they can withdraw any time without penalty. By Day 29 of training, females must pass the curriculum or they are sent to MCT. Students must maintain an 80-percent average to graduate.

The female graduates will earn the infantry designation, but won't operate in the Corps as part of the infantry, Pappa said.

The results are due for the Commandant of the Marine Corps' review by October 2014.

Each female, regardless of completion, will be given an exit survey analyzing injuries, medical issues, academics and more, said Pappa.

"Females will be subject alongside the males to a physical and medical pre-screening as well as weekly physical checks to ensure they are not hiding injuries (during training)," Pappa said. "We've also inserted reconfirmation briefs where essentially we will sit down face-to-face with the volunteers at different points during the ITB training to reconfirm their volunteer status."

The confirmation briefs, Pappa said, will be "subtle" and without "excess scrutiny" on the female Marines.

"The reason we want to reconfirm them is because ... attitudes do change," Pappa said. "Males are not given that opportunity because this is their military occupational specialty assignment."

Data collectors are embedded with the training company to track volunteers. Three female combat instructors from MCT have been assigned to mentor and advise the ITB staff. A senior enlisted female Marine will advise the command and assist the three combat instructors, according to Pappa.

Female Marines will not be segregated during training, but will be housed separately from the males in the barracks. In the field, the Marines will berth together but will not share tents, Pappa said.

The training marks the first phase of the integration, which consists of preparation, research and evaluation. Phase 2 will set conditions for implementation during Phase 3


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1 posted on 09/26/2013 6:04:05 PM PDT by markomalley
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Much lower standards than the males of course


2 posted on 09/26/2013 6:05:38 PM PDT by GeronL
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Poor insanity. Will they lower standards for everyone so women won’t feel offended by men who are better fit?


3 posted on 09/26/2013 6:07:06 PM PDT by cunning_fish
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In the field, the Marines will berth together but will not share tents, Pappa said.

Is it gonna be berth or birth?

4 posted on 09/26/2013 6:08:09 PM PDT by nascarnation (Democrats control the Presidency, Senate, and Media. It's an uphill climb....)
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To: markomalley

Putin laughed.


5 posted on 09/26/2013 6:12:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the mainland US There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.)
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Is it gonna be berth or birth?

First the "e" then the "i"

6 posted on 09/26/2013 6:17:56 PM PDT by Mark17 (It is every liberal's job to destroy America, and every conservative's job to stop him.)
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To: markomalley

So where are they getting the three female combat instructors?


7 posted on 09/26/2013 6:20:12 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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i’m willing to sacrifice the security of the united states in order to make sure we honor diversity.


8 posted on 09/26/2013 6:20:35 PM PDT by willywill
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"There will be no standards changed for this research," he added.

Okay...Hopefully those standards will be strictly adhered to. *rolling eyes*

9 posted on 09/26/2013 6:21:16 PM PDT by jazusamo ([Obama] A Truly Great Phony -- Thomas Sowell http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3058949/posts)
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I guess the gals will say, “This is my rifle, these are my guns”?


10 posted on 09/26/2013 6:21:23 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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if they do it without lowering the standards one iota from what they were when only men were doing it, then all power to them, I’m not gonna tell any of them no. Nor will I tell them that they are being retarded or amoral.

Now let’s see just how many of theme keep to those same standards.


11 posted on 09/26/2013 6:23:12 PM PDT by freedom462
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>>Poor insanity. Will they lower standards for everyone so women won’t feel offended by men who are better fit?<<

Don’t you have to admit it works in Israel?


12 posted on 09/26/2013 6:24:19 PM PDT by KAESNO2
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"There will be no standards changed for this research,"

-because the standards are already established to be much lower than any male will be required to attain.

13 posted on 09/26/2013 6:33:25 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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Don’t you have to admit it works in Israel?

How much do you actually know about the females in the Israel armed forces? I suspect that there are many unresolved issues; plus there may not be full integration for all assignments.

I also think that women in the Israeli Armed Forces have been participating in some capacity for decades.

14 posted on 09/26/2013 6:35:55 PM PDT by olezip (Time obliterates the fictions of opinion and confirms the decisions of nature. ~ Cicero)
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Israel does not have females in combat situations. It didn’t take them long to figure out that it wasn’t working as expected. Men are men and chivalry has no place in the front lines.


15 posted on 09/26/2013 6:37:15 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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16 posted on 09/26/2013 6:38:41 PM PDT by onona (The Earth is the insane asylum for the universe (yup, I belong))
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To: freedom462

Females can’t do it so of course the standards will be lowered, just as they have been in every other situation from law enforcement to firefighting for the last 45 years.

When they say women will “be allowed” to get into a job they are unqualified for, it means, “there will be women in this job, period” regardless of what that takes.

Anyone who thinks that women will be allowed to fail and that any job will just remain all male once it is decided that it won’t, is out of touch with reality.


17 posted on 09/26/2013 6:40:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ( 'I'm on That New Obama Diet... Every Day I Let Vladimir Putin Eat My Lunch' .)
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To: markomalley
By Day 29 of training, females must pass the curriculum or they are sent to MCT.

Of course, if their 30-day cycle happens to occur during part of their *cough* training, they will of necessity be given sufficient time off to rest and recuperate before continuing on, unlike their male counterparts who are allowed no such equivalent recuperation period.

18 posted on 09/26/2013 6:42:12 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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The female graduates will earn the infantry designation...

We need a new "designation". Or are we going to issue them green berets and SEAL patches as well? How about LRRP, Force Recon, and Delta Force titles as well?

19 posted on 09/26/2013 6:45:35 PM PDT by Utilizer (Bacon A'kbar! - In world today are only peaceful people, and the mooslimbs trying to kill them-)
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Once again, our nation is sacrificing its security for the sake of misguided and completely unnatural “equality”.


20 posted on 09/26/2013 6:45:50 PM PDT by MN.Gruber06
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