Posted on 09/26/2013 1:10:34 PM PDT by Voice of Reason1
Gun grabbers have found an issue where they can get almost unanimous consent across the board, including from gun owners. Nobody wants the dangerously insane to have weapons. not even the NRA. So using that bit of light coming in under the edge of the door, they’ve found a point of attack. Since we all agree that the insane shouldn’t have guns, we’ll pass a law to enforce that. And then we’ll start dumbing down the definition of “insane” to include as many people as possible.
Because in the end, this was never about helping people. This is about taking away the guns. This is the story of a vast group of extremely angry and frustrated liberals who are forlorn at the refusal of certain lines from the Constitution to simply disappear. And since they can’t rid the founding documents of the hated clause, their long time tactic has been to adopt the First Amendment “fire in the theater” caveat to say that all rights have limitations, and then to seek out every possible nook and cranny to find “exceptions” where gun rights can be infringed and weapons can be confiscated. The mental health issue is no exception. We already have a system in place for defining those who are too dangerously deranged to own guns, and it involves having people adjudicated as such in a court of law with the opportunity to defend themselves and challenge the finding if they wish. That is sufficient. If you let the anti-gun rights lobby define the mentally ill when it comes to background checks and gun ownership, soon enough they will define wanting to own a gun as a mental illness.
If we fall for that, then we truly will have the government we deserve for being fools.
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Of course, all of those things are dangerous – but for the national cadre of socialists there is but a BIG difference – guns can be used to resist their tyranny.
We don’t think of such things because we’re not budding tyrants – it’s takes a certain mindset to consider these issues as they do.
As the article mentioned, there is already mechanism in place to a judge these cases – the Left clearly wants to push the envelop past this point.
IT is pretty much standard practice for Leftists to call anyone who opposes them “insane,” “crazy” or “mentally ill.” Watch them try to make it official through American Psychiatric Society...
Oh yes, then there’s that…. My thinking was best expressed by Han Solo – ‘I’ve got a really bad feeling about this’
Obamacare will not only be a vote buying wealth redistribution scheme, but as you said, they will most likely will use it to the max for their tyrannical intentions.
Two gun control politicians are recalled and less than a week later, the voices set off Alexis to go commit mass murder with a gun. Coincidence?
The Party of Compassion loves to exploit death to advance their perverted little ideology.
Locking up the insane should have no reference to guns at all.Any NRA or conservatives who support any legislation re the insane that would mention guns in any context at all are helping to “redact” out the 2Amd.
Better than any such legislation and certainly more effective would be ending the existence of any “gun free zones.”
It does cause one to question the timing.
Rule #1: If they come to take your gun...
Not if it takes a jury trial. It would be so expensive that the local government would be forced to use it judiciously.
The difference is when someone screams “fire” when there isn’t one, we only punish the one who yelled “fire”, not everyone who’s ever yelled.
But that would be common sense.Something leftists lack.
According to whom? Once there are conditions, then there will be people deciding to whom those conditions apply, you know like quoting the Bible, or Constitution, maybe even voting GOP, tho that one may be worthy of the classification, if they keep up their ways.
It is how liberal's will use a sane law... they'll abuse it until it's a horror. Remember when all of us wanted to help people who were blind ... now we have half of Detroit living on 'disability'?
Then they will find a work around on that – just as they’ve done by militarizing the police to get around the Posse Comitatus Act
“...it involves having people adjudicated as such in a court of law with the opportunity to defend themselves...”
That’s not a very clearly stated mechanism. What has to happen to get a seriously deranged individual into such a court? Some act of violence or public disturbance?
It seems with all the recent mass shootings by mentally ill shooters, there were plenty of people aware of the individual & their issues. We are still missing that step that stopped them from easily acquiring a weapon.
A doctor flagging the individual to the NICS seems a reasonable start. Not for simple depression, but for signs that an individual is clearly delusional or showing signs of psychosis.
Yes, no doubt leftists (including doctors) might abuse such a system. But some kind of civil penalty by the person appealing such a designation in order to exercise 2nd A. rights might be attached to legislation for cases of clear abuse.
That is not reasonable to me. The idea is to keep innocent folks from getting shot. If I have to get government permission to buy a gun there is no right to keep and bear arms. There is government granted privilege to buy a gun, but they can kick in my door and take it if some leftists decides I am "mentally ill".
No sale.
If we really did have a right to Keep (own) and Bear (carry around) a gun the whackos would only get off a shot or two before getting scragged. Like the subway scene in Predator 2. Stop looking to Mommy government to "protect" you. Ain't gonna happen.
Then why have a Constitution? The point is to arrive at the correct method in law and then let Federalism and Natural Law work. That is the system we have. Else, it is anarchy. I am suggesting the same standards for how we put people in prison. That's a pretty high threshold.
That would be fine if it stayed that way – but the Leftist-Marxists are all about Incrementalism.
They will start from there and with each crisis ratchet the screws a little tighter.
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