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To: Olog-hai

The U.S. did NOT sign it.

Kerry did.

Means nothing!


2 posted on 09/25/2013 9:08:07 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SumProVita

The treaty clearly calls for some kind of internal registration and tracking of all firearms— so Kerry and the AP (”All Propaganda”) are lying, as usual.


4 posted on 09/25/2013 9:14:20 AM PDT by pierrem15 (Claudius: "Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out.")
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To: SumProVita

DOA in Congress.


10 posted on 09/25/2013 9:32:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: SumProVita

The clown in the WH likely will attempt to implement his interpretation of treaty without consent of the Senate.


11 posted on 09/25/2013 9:32:22 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: SumProVita

Kerry’s signature will be used to get the U.N. nation participation rate up to the point where this is ratified at the U.N.

Once that’s done, it doesn’t really matter what the U.S. Senate does. It’s still considered international law. And international law trumps U.S. law.

So what if U.S. Citizens object? It’s a done deal.

Clinton did it with the I.C.C. Now Kerry is doing it on behalf of the U.S.

If our Senate ratifies or not, it doesn’t matter.

The U.N. gun grabbers will have achieved their goal.


12 posted on 09/25/2013 9:33:55 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (This post coming to you today from behind the Camelskin Curtain. Not the Iron or Bamboo Curtain...)
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To: SumProVita
Means nothing!

Wrong. The United States has respected the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties for over thirty years as "customary international law" despite never having ratified it. One provision of the Vienna Convention is that the parties agree to abide by treaty provisions upon the signature of any officer of the government. That is why, for example, Bush took the trouble to "unsign" the International Criminal Court treaty.

Of course this is all unconstitutional. That is apparently what "means nothing."

56 posted on 09/25/2013 10:50:08 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers choices: convert, submit, or die.)
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To: SumProVita

It used to be the senate ratified treaties. Of course it also used to be that when a law was passed all aspects of that law was enforced. And it used to be we followed the constitution.


72 posted on 09/25/2013 1:25:53 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (".....Barrack, and the horse Mohammed rode in on.")
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To: SumProVita

CORKER WARNS OBAMA ADMINISTRATION AGAINST ANY ACTION TO IMPLEMENT U.N. ARMS TRADE TREATY WITHOUT SENATE ADVICE AND CONSENT........

Any act to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, before the Congress provides its advice and consent would be fundamentally inconsistent with the U.S. Constitution, law, and practice,” said Corker......

Full text of the letter is included below and in the attached document.

Dear President Obama,

It is my understanding that Secretary of State John Kerry will sign the United Nations Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) on behalf of the United States. The ATT raises significant legislative and constitutional questions. Any act to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, before the Congress provides its advice and consent would be inconsistent with the United States Constitution, law, and practice.

As you know, Article II, Section 2 of the United States Constitution requires the United States Senate to provide its advice and consent before a treaty becomes binding under United States law. The Senate has not yet provided its advice and consent, and may not provide such consent. As a result, the Executive Branch is not authorized to take any steps to implement the treaty.

Moreover, even after the Senate provides its advice and consent, certain treaties require changes to United States law in the form of legislation passed by both the House and Senate. The ATT is such a treaty. Various provisions of the ATT, including but not limited to those related to the regulation of imports and trade in conventional arms, require such implementing legislation and relate to matters exclusively reserved to Congress under our Constitution.

Because of the concerns discussed above, as well as the fundamental issues the ATT raises with respect to the individual rights protected by the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution, as the Ranking Member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, it is my view that you may not take any executive action to implement this treaty, provisionally or otherwise, unless and until: (1) the United States Senate has provided its constitutionally required advice and consent to its ratification; and (2) the Congress has passed any and all required legislation to bring this treaty into effect under United States domestic law.

Sincerely,

Senator Bob Corker
Ranking Member


97 posted on 09/25/2013 8:20:22 PM PDT by caww
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