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To: HiTech RedNeck

“I want to see the detailed documentation”

The Catholic Church kept pretty good records of the Inquisition. Start there.

Look, I have no idea if the acts of Chrisitans were “slightly authorized” by the Christian scriptures. All I can go by is the acts of Christians, which have historically been pretty bleak (again, with noted exception of the USA) in regard to the Jewish people.

What’s the line, “Ye shall know them by their fruits?”

Well, the fruits have been pretty clear for 1900 years.

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So, does this mean I think you are a bad person? No.

So, does this mean I think Christians are bad? Nope.

Do I believe that Christianity no longer seeks to persecute Jewish people, at least in the USA? Yes.

Does this 1900 years of persecution explain why so many Jewish people are skittish when they hear someone who is overly preachy in a Christian way? Yep.


140 posted on 09/24/2013 7:54:31 AM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: Jewbacca

First, I would ask someone who claims to be an heir of the most finely thought out religious ethics on earth, not to commit the gross fallacy of begging the question of “who a Christian is.” You might hate some of the stuff a bunch of people saying they were Christians claimed. That doesn’t make them Christians any more than being in a garage makes you a car.

The Inquisition was terrible and awful, the result of a segment of the church attempting the biblically forbidden. Pastors weren’t ever given to oversee unbelievers. The biblical paradigm for Christians is actually a MORE hands off approach to earthly government than Jews have!

Still, the Inquisition didn’t manage to murder even close to as many people in several centuries as a single Stalinist purge (and boy did they hate Jews too) did... if a sane person was forced to pick which of the two would be in charge, I think he’d pick the Inquisition people. But biblical Christians are not even Inquisition people.

The positive fruits of biblically faithful (more or less, and it did not need to be full blown evangelical faith as we know it today) Christianity WERE manifest through the centuries, but it simply got ignored by Jewish sages who would not listen, no way, no how, to a bunch of “uppity gentiles.”


145 posted on 09/24/2013 8:44:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Jewbacca

And ultimately, I would ask you not to diss God. Because when Christians did do good things, it was God’s work. If Buddhists helped Jews, surely you wouldn’t snub the Almighty for the help even if sometimes disobedient people calling themselves Buddhists also harmed Jews. Well the same goes for Christians. By distorting the record to highlight the griefs and to completely disregard the helps (Christianity even when exercised in a warped way helped civilize the diaspora environment, making it POSSIBLE for Jews to carry on “alone”) is to snub the Almighty.


146 posted on 09/24/2013 8:52:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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To: Jewbacca

To make it a trilogy... Jews themselves need to be careful about snubbing the divine. Biblical history of the Hebrew scriptures is replete with such examples. Now Christians who follow Jesus’ directions through the bible don’t come to smash Jews (or anybody else for that matter) over the head for having sinned. These Christians completely understand the situation of being a sinner because they are sinners too, who were lost until God saved them through the promise and power of the gospel. Look at what Jesus actually SAID on that cross, as opposed to what some folks treating Him very disobediently as a club mascot acted. Those folks were defying Jesus. For them to claim that Jesus, the ultimate willing sacrifice, wanted that kind of vengeance, turns the spiritual relationship with Him on its head.

Think again very hard before you dismiss what the gospel did for Jews during the diaspora. It civilized society; even unbelievers realized that there was a higher standard to live to. This cut the attacks on the Jewish people DOWN from what they otherwise might have been. They were part of divine provision for the Jewish people. If you whine too much about the trials brought on the Jews from disobedient Christians, you might think also about the historical whining that went on about the trials of having to wait for divine provision of water and other needful things that God had promised to provide. God forgave, but God did not excuse.


147 posted on 09/24/2013 9:02:32 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Lion of Judah will roar again if you give him a big hug and a cheer and mean it. See my page.)
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