Does Aaron Alexis Represent A New Breed of Killer?

American Thinker ^ | September 20, 2013 | Jack Cashill

[neverdem]

In the search for parallels to explain Aaron Alexis's killing spree at the Washington Navy Yard on Monday, the media have turned reflexively to recent incidents in Aurora, Colorado, and Sandy Hook, Connecticut.

Almost no one in the media, however, has made the obvious comparison to Christopher Dorner, the former Los Angeles Police Department officer who killed four people and wounded three others in a ten-day spree last February that ended with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Although the most visible point of comparison is race and gender -- black and male -- both were born in New York City within a month of each other in the spring of 1979, graduated high school, attended college, moved more or less comfortably in the larger integrated world, and joined the Navy Reserve.

Most saliently, both Dorner and Alexis were mentally unbalanced. In a different time and place they might have blamed themselves, their lovers, or their parents for the demons that haunted them, but the two came of age in what might be called the post-Roots era. From the beginning, they have always had a way to account for their misfortunes that spared them introspection.

Published as nonfiction in 1976 and produced as a spectacularly successful mini-series a year later, Roots: The Saga of an American Family gave progressives the perfect pedagogical tool with which to instruct their less enlightened brethren in the quiet horrors of American culture. In fact, it quickly became the dominant narrative, a curriculum standard, a veritable sacred text...

[dennisw]

now you are funny!!!!!

[Henry Hnyellar]

Not really. It was run by the British via a Canadian named William Stephenson.

At least get your conspiracies right!

[HiTech RedNeck]

CIA was documented as doing some thoroughly naughty things in the sixties and thereabouts, IIRC. It also blew up into a huge scandal and some very public wrist slapping. Bottom line: organizations and people aren’t static. If you want to look like you got your accusational ducks in a row, try to at least have them coexist in time.

[Smokin' Joe]

When George Herbert Walker Bush said "New World Order", I knew he was a conspiracy theorist, too.

Oh, wait, he was trying to bring one about.

Some times, there really is a conspiracy. This administration is crawling with them. (Fast and Furious and coverup, Benghazzi and coverup, SEAL Team 6 all being on the same sh*thook going low and slow through a valley in the 'stan, etc.)

[Smokin' Joe]

Mohammed Salem

[Boogieman]

Sure, they tried to figure out how to do “mind control”, back in the 50s and 60s. The results were pretty disappointing, if you read the declassified files. Also, there have been assassins, massacres, and “going amok” since long, long before any of those experiments, or the CIA existed, so “mind control” isn’t necessary to explain any of that.

Just because the government investigated something doesn’t mean they got it to work, and have some secret program still running. Or do you also think that, just because they investigated UFO reports, that aliens must be real and the government is covering that up?

[Boogieman]

“Some times, there really is a conspiracy.”

Sure, but if you believe in ones when there is no evidence for them, then you’re just chasing ghosts. Anyone can make up a conspiracy theory based on “tantalizing clues” and no real evidence, and get people to chase their tails.

[bmwcyle]

No, they are all Obama supports. Nothing new here.

[Smokin' Joe]

The results were pretty disappointing, if you read the declassified files.

LOL!

As if the government would release any effective results from being classified. We only get to hear about what does not work. Whether they found anything that did work could well be another story altogether.

Believe what you will.

By the time it is demonstrated on Leno, the R&D folks are well on the way to the thing after next.

[Boogieman]

“As if the government would release any effective results from being classified. We only get to hear about what does not work. Whether they found anything that did work could well be another story altogether.”

Yes, but we are talking 60 years ago now. Stuff leaks by that time, or gets stolen by the enemy. So if this was real, there would be more evidence for it than the rantings of Alex Jones, by now.

[Smokin' Joe]

Yes, but we are talking 60 years ago now. Stuff leaks by that time, or gets stolen by the enemy.

If the objective is mind control, and they were successful, who would tell?

Not to mention that anyone who did would be ridiculed and end up on Alex Jones trying to get the story out (because no one else would cover it).

Crap! We can't get the media to cover Benghazzi, Fast and Furious, or a host of other juicy Pullitzer fertile stories, what makes you think they would cover anything as far out as the government playing some games with your head?

Just think of the possibilities! You could calm p-o'ed commuters with a broadcast, or plant subliminals in their teevee or on their cell comms (they ARE listening in, what's the next step?). Even the idea that mind control is impossible. But we know it isn't because "they" told us so, right?

Now, I'm not saying it exists or it doesen't, but I won't summarily dismiss the possibility.

Some days it seems like we're living in the movie They Live, but I can't find my sunglasses. Haven't you noticed the stuporous behaviour of large segments of the population which might be inclined to watch Oprah re-runs? Maybe there is a signal in the feed...

(8^D)

[GeronL]

new??

[PieterCasparzen]

Not really. It was run by the British via a Canadian named William Stephenson.

Yes, correct. Does having our intelligence run by a foreign country sound ok to you ? Not to me, smells rotten.

Food for thought:

What role did "Wild" Bill Donovan play ?

Bill Donovan did have a longstanding relationship with the Rockefellers. He was part of their "Belgian Relief Mission", disclosed in the foundation's annual report of 1916. It's online and available.

The Rockefeller foundation would not have just picked anyone off the street to do that job.

Once you actually start to honestly look at the relationships between the all the new world order players, there are too many potentially corrupt ones to think that there's not a conspiracy.

Investigators of crime use the same method, i.e., following relationships, money and influence, to investigate crime; well, when they do actually investigate, since corruption is so accepted in our society.

[PieterCasparzen]

CIA was documented as doing some thoroughly naughty things in the sixties and thereabouts, IIRC. It also blew up into a huge scandal and some very public wrist slapping.

The fed LSD to people, including CIA employees, without their knowledge and one of the "test subjects" proceeded to jump out a window to his death.

Bottom line: organizations and people aren’t static. If you want to look like you got your accusational ducks in a row, try to at least have them coexist in time.

I'd have to spend my life investigating and writing volumes, which I'm not about to do just to prove a point, especially since most people would dismiss it no matter how good the evidence was. There already is a lot of research out there on the subject for those who are interested enough to read.

I'm simply trying to "raise awareness" as they say.

The number one thing I see as rotten and implying a conspiratorial connection is the very founding of the OSS and CIA by Wall Street / eastern establishment people, and the continued domination of the agency by the same establishment types.

The ruler of a nation must be absolutely sure that his espionage agents and diplomatic advisors to himself are truly loyal to him and his nation.

If the business leaders (mega-business, not mom-and-pop) of his nation "volunteer" to build and espionage agency for him, and all their people staff up the ruler's diplomatic service, and become his direct foreign policy advisors - and all those business leaders have direct business ties to their wealthy and influential counterparts in other nations, and those dealings are opaque to the ruler and his government, the first obvious question is - are they loyal to their nation or to their moneymaking ? Because they certainly could use their influence on foreign policy to enrich themselves in the process of instigating all sorts of coordinated wars and threats of war.

Once again, I point folks to the work of the eminent historian Antony Sutton, regarding the relationship between American and German business and banking during the years between the wars. If you keep researching international banking, you find that it is rotten to the core; there is no way to rationalize some of the facts.

[<1/1,000,000th%]

Does the author mean Muhammed Saleem?

[HiTech RedNeck]

Pieter, you so inexplicably dodge the gravamen of my point, which is time lines. Maybe it is because you know that such a thing is material to your accusations and you have nothing.

Even attorneys when they want to make a case against someone’s shady behavior, will construct time lines. That works better than a vague character smear in most courts.

(When I sued a neighbor who had exercised legal undue influence upon a now deceased aunt with Alzheimer’s in order to get her to change her will, that’s just what the attorney did. Time lines were constructed and sure enough, every time this neighbor had done something to push family off, then she shortly leaned upon the aunt. It made a case so strong that they settled out of court, for what I and the rest of her family wanted which was the aunt’s mementos.)

[HiTech RedNeck]

By the way I am taking a far more Christ like attitude than you are. I hold to the love that does not blame without a clear reason. If you want rotten, that works too well; the whole system is rotten in the sense that it is built of fallen sinners who can’t save themselves. But contrary to that is the work of God and this is visible plainly every day when fallen sinners do not sin anywhere close to as bad as they could. By singing the song of rottenness too vigorously, you risk blaspheming the work of God.

[HiTech RedNeck]

I say with grand charges must come grand proof. Just because some “eminent historian” wrote something means nothing. What vetting have you given it? I named one simple obvious thing. Time lines. Go to your conspiracy theory support group and see if they can construct time lines. Then come back. I’m not going to goose chase after this book and that book without a good reason. That is putting confidence in men and not in God.

[PieterCasparzen]

Yes, but we are talking 60 years ago now. Stuff leaks by that time, or gets stolen by the enemy. So if this was real, there would be more evidence for it than the rantings of Alex Jones, by now.

The big secrets don't leak over time. People don't understand how this secrecy can be maintained; it's simple.

a) compartmentalization

b) even within 1 compartment, people accepted into the inner circle of knowledge are limited to:
i) those who are already in on bigtime secrets; standard practice in criminal organizations is to get everyone's hands dirty - participate in the crime - now everyone has something to hide and will aid in keeping the secrets (all criminal organizations do this - you can't be part of one and have clean hands)
ii) people whose parents, grandparents, etc., were part of the inner circle
iii) the inner circle maintaining a charade of massive proportions in the implications of the secret, not in the sophistication of the secret. It's real simple stuff, but the implication is a conspiracy where the US government has been hijacked. And all the inner circle would be implicated if the truth comes out. Ergo, they have an enormous vested interest in maintaining the charade.
iv) the inner circle people are part of a class of people that has lasted through the centuries and become expert at controlling people, mostly through a person's weaknesses, lusts, desire for power, etc.; espionage is their area of expertise; they pass on their knowledge to offspring and top chosen proteges. It sounds complex, but it's simple, basic facts of life; they know how to manipulate people better than a crazy ex-girlfriend.

c) Spreading false information: one of the best ways to hide a conspiracy to commit a crime is to start a lot of false or partly true rumors about the real conspiracy. After a few, people turn off on the whole idea and think none of it is true. It's very important to actually leak out pieces and parts that are actually what you are really doing. This way, those items are forever protected by this tactic, since no one will ever take them seriously. Spread enough wacky stories, and your secret is safe.

There are a ton of secrets that have not leaked over time; we know no more than we ever did about many of them. It's just cause for speculation, TV shows about conspiracies, and fodder for internet chattering. But we don't know the truth in many instances.

The real "trick" is that we therefore, as a nation, generally do not go and learn about what we can access, like old published articles, congressional and court testimony, public records, etc.

This is how a totally obscure person can be elected President, because we refuse to believe that there is any big conspiracy going on, let alone try to think of how to defeat it.

[HiTech RedNeck]

There are hellish things going on today. I am simple minded, Pieter. I think they are tied to hell and won’t need some hypothetical powerful human “inner circle” to make them go. Finding such a thing is a perennial human aspiration because then, by cracky, we could kill or at least jail them all and the nonsense will stop. Well it won’t, not while we as America give short credit to God. And the problem is out on the street corner where wisdom hollers and nobody listens — not in inner sanctums!